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It's because visitors from those sites are worthless. They may click on the ads, but they aren't going to buy anything and even if they do, the conversion rate

by fnid 17y ago

It's because visitors from those sites are worthless. They may click on the ads, but they aren't going to buy anything and even if they do, the conversion rate is so low that the advertisers get mad at Google.

Rantenki 17y ago
I fail to see how Google mispricing impressions is the fault of the Hizook admin. Google already modifies the payout on clickthrough using a completely opaque system. If that system cannot handle traffic spikes, they shouldn't be defaulting to banning the Adsense account, they should just throttle inventory.
- fnid 17y ago
  Google shoots first and doesn't ask questions later. I'm not defending google. I've been anti-google for years. I'm just saying why they disable the account. It's the easiest, automated solution to combat lots of problems like click-fraud, advertiser complaints, etc. If they don't disable the account, they have to constantly handle this type of account, the high traffic, potentially high click-thru, but low conversion attracting account. The other solution requires making a lot of changes to a lot of accounts. The advertisers' ad positioning, the rates for the ads, which affect other adsense sites, etc. In that case, Google runs the risk of angering a lot of customers, both advertisers, and real estate providers. The other solution: ban the account -- angers only one real estate provider.
alain94040 17y ago
That does not excuse Google's behavior in any way. The most amazing to me is that it's now Thursday, and Google has not responded. Even if they don't like humans, they could have automatically detected by now that the traffic is due to the links. Don't they have this thing called pagerank that computes exactly that? Another example of the left hand not talking to the right hand (and not caring).
- jacquesm 17y ago
  There is nothing 'amazing' about it, unfortunately, Google tech support is from Mars. The only answers I have ever had to date were cut & paste emails which usually did not address the issue at all. We keep some of them for amusement value. Adwords is not much better by the way, we've simply stopped using it after detecting some major discrepancies (read undetected click fraud) between googles reporting and our own log files. Complaining is pretty much pointless, we no longer bother, possibly this experience is unique but I highly doubt it. I guess some computer in googles database records that as 'customer satisfaction going up', but in fact it is the opposite and if I ever come across a real alternative to adwords/adsense we will be gone in a heartbeat.
gojomo 17y ago
Sure, but Google knows more about those visitors than anyone, by tracking them across many AdSense sites. They can take referrer and temporary traffic surges into account on what ads -- if any -- they serve. That Google has no adjustment to apply here other than banning an account -- especially given how many total crap sites thrive on AdSense month after month without triggering countermeasures -- is disappointing.
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dca 17y ago
It would be nice to see some data to back up this claim. Is there some study or some data from store owners available anywhere that could confirm this?

by fnid 17y ago

Rantenki 17y ago

I fail to see how Google mispricing impressions is the fault of the Hizook admin. Google already modifies the payout on clickthrough using a completely opaque system. If that system cannot handle traffic spikes, they shouldn't be defaulting to banning the Adsense account, they should just throttle inventory.

fnid 17y ago
Google shoots first and doesn't ask questions later. I'm not defending google. I've been anti-google for years. I'm just saying why they disable the account. It's the easiest, automated solution to combat lots of problems like click-fraud, advertiser complaints, etc. If they don't disable the account, they have to constantly handle this type of account, the high traffic, potentially high click-thru, but low conversion attracting account. The other solution requires making a lot of changes to a lot of accounts. The advertisers' ad positioning, the rates for the ads, which affect other adsense sites, etc. In that case, Google runs the risk of angering a lot of customers, both advertisers, and real estate providers. The other solution: ban the account -- angers only one real estate provider.

alain94040 17y ago

That does not excuse Google's behavior in any way. The most amazing to me is that it's now Thursday, and Google has not responded. Even if they don't like humans, they could have automatically detected by now that the traffic is due to the links. Don't they have this thing called pagerank that computes exactly that? Another example of the left hand not talking to the right hand (and not caring).

jacquesm 17y ago
There is nothing 'amazing' about it, unfortunately, Google tech support is from Mars. The only answers I have ever had to date were cut & paste emails which usually did not address the issue at all. We keep some of them for amusement value. Adwords is not much better by the way, we've simply stopped using it after detecting some major discrepancies (read undetected click fraud) between googles reporting and our own log files. Complaining is pretty much pointless, we no longer bother, possibly this experience is unique but I highly doubt it. I guess some computer in googles database records that as 'customer satisfaction going up', but in fact it is the opposite and if I ever come across a real alternative to adwords/adsense we will be gone in a heartbeat.

gojomo 17y ago

Sure, but Google knows more about those visitors than anyone, by tracking them across many AdSense sites. They can take referrer and temporary traffic surges into account on what ads -- if any -- they serve. That Google has no adjustment to apply here other than banning an account -- especially given how many total crap sites thrive on AdSense month after month without triggering countermeasures -- is disappointing.

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dca 17y ago

It would be nice to see some data to back up this claim. Is there some study or some data from store owners available anywhere that could confirm this?