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Announcing Unicode 7.0
- jstalin 12y agoForgive my ignorance, but how do these actually enter the real world? Do browsers adopt these new characters?
- mmastrac 12y agoTechnically the entirety of the unicode range is supported by browsers right now -- they just don't exist in fonts at all. What Unicode does is say that "this codepoint" means "this". At that point, fonts start adding glyphs to mean "this" and authors start adding codepoints that refer to "this". If you look at FontAwesome, it uses characters in the "unicode private use area" -- which are effectively undefined -- but putting those codepoints in your HTML document while having the appropriate font loaded will show the appropriate icon glyphs.
- greggman 12y agoActually AFAICT Chrome does not support the entirety of the unicode range right now. Safari and Firefox do. 🙅🎁４👨
- mmastrac 12y agoChrome does support these codepoints, but it doesn't support the format of Apple's PNG glyphs for emoji. Amusingly, it does support the android colored glyphs in Chrome for Android.
- dragonwriter 12y ago> Forgive my ignorance, but how do these actually enter the real world? Do browsers adopt these new characters? Browsers don't add characters, fonts do.
- sho_hn 12y agoYou should find http://pixelambacht.nl/2014/multicolor-fonts/ http://pixelambacht.nl/2014/multicolor-fonts/ an interesting read.
- masklinn 12y ago> Do browsers adopt these new characters? No, fonts ship with them. Browsers don't really care, they see codepoints and ask underlying font-rendering API for the corresponding glyphs, then display that. And these characters may not have anything to do with browsers, not are they restricted to browsers e.g. "emoji" originate in pre-smartphones cellphone-based text and email messages in japan for instance.
- higherpurpose 12y agoIt also comes with a "No Piracy" emoji: https://twitter.com/xor/status/478797422496215040/photo/1 https://twitter.com/xor/status/478797422496215040/photo/1
- erikano 12y agoIs there an emoji for "Piracy"? edit: Found elsewhere >[...] another new character (#1F571) depicts the familiar skull and crossbones. It is labeled “skull and crossbones” too – no “Yes to Piracy” here.
- smackfu 12y agoIt's straight out of the MS Webdings font, from 1997: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webdings#mediaviewer/File:Webdings-big.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webdings#mediaviewer/File:Webdi... (top row, 3rd character)
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- scrollaway 12y agoI wonder if they added the dozenal sigils (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal#Duodecimal_digits_on_computerized_writing_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal#Duodecimal_digits_o...) are available on it. Did anyone find them? Edit: Nope. http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2150.pdf http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2150.pdf
- mykhal 12y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7902924 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7902924
- edwintorok 12y agoThis is the 2nd dupe on the frontpage for today. Should HN do some URL normalization? The dupe about the SSD had an extra trailing slash, and here it is the usual problem with blogspot.com vs blogspot.<countrycode>.
- n0body 12y agonow in perl blead http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2014/06/msg216878.html http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2014/06/ms...
- draegtun 12y agoYep... here's the commit on the Github mirror - https://github.com/Perl/perl5/commit/09edd81111f67b4331309c89245e35048681b918 https://github.com/Perl/perl5/commit/09edd81111f67b4331309c8...
- edwintorok 12y agoOCaml got updated libraries for Unicode 7 too: https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list/2014-06/msg00081.html https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list/2014-06/msg00081....
- beobab 12y ago"Notched Right Semicircle With Three Dots"? I'm not sure I want to know what this would be used for.
- kabdib 12y agoOh, I'm sure that someone in denotational semantics will use it for something... :-) (Twice having tried to learn DS, thinking it would be "good for me", only to rage quit after running into the next half dozen undefined hieroglyphics...)
- publicfig 12y agoHere's what I was able to find on it. http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2010/10395-typikon.pdf http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2010/10395-typikon.pdf
- Tyr42 12y agoThis is a reversed form of the preceding Unicode symbol located at U+1F543 (proposed location): . This symbol is used on right-hand pages to denote an Orthodox Lower Rank feast. As well, this symbol can be used to denote one of the two lower rank feasts in black-and-white printing.
- hf 12y agoI value the Unicode effort so much, I consider its inconsistencies a major pain point in my life. Why, for the love of Zeus, is there no codepoint for GREEK SUBSCRIPT SMALL LETTER ALPHA Am I missing something? Why should I never want to subscript α? I know a few physicists who gladly would. It doesn't end there, see the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_subscripts_and_superscripts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_subscripts_and_supersc... which sports a consolidated overview. Tell me I'm overlooking something very obvious.
- jschulenklopper 12y ago> Why is there no codepoint for GREEK SUBSCRIPT SMALL LETTER ALPHA? Could it be that (quoted from that Wikipedia page): The World Wide Web Consortium and the Unicode Consortium have made recommendations on the choice between using markup and using superscript and subscript characters: "When used in mathematical context (MathML) it is recommended to consistently use style markup for superscripts and subscripts." Inconsistency remains though, since the Unicode standard defines characters for full superscript Latin lowercase alphabet except q, a limited uppercase Latin alphabet, a few subscripted lowercase letters, and some Greek letters.
- gioele 12y agoUnicode is not about what you would like to use, but about what has been used in the past. New characters are avoid as much as possible and old characters are allocated a codepoint only if you can show that they have been extensively used and that they are really different from other similarly looking glyphs that already have a codepoint. Probably nobody has found enough small alphas used in subscripts and there were no electronic encodings that included it so it has never been considered for inclusion.
- smackfu 12y agoWell, the real reason is that the existing subscripts are to support UPA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_Phonetic_Alphabet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_Phonetic_Alphabet Here's where they argued that they needed subscript versions, rather than using the existing greek letters with a modifier: http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2442.pdf http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2442.pdf It is kind of a mess though. Maybe it would have been better if they had named the repurposed glyphs like LATERAL POSTVELAR CONSONANT, but that's not generally how Unicode does things.
- buster 12y agoDo we really need small pictures in fonts?
- rational-future 12y agoThat is what fonts are - sets of small pictures, accessible by an index.
- buster 12y agoI really don't agree on your definition of fonts. When i write a letter i am certainly not painting rows of little pictures on a sheet of paper.
- justincormack 12y agoYou are if you write hieroglyphics. From another point of view you are when you write English too.
- buster 12y agoSo, putting poo into unicode is just the same as hieroglyphs? Or hebrew or arabic or chinese characters? Still don't agree.
- sho_hn 12y agoHow are emoji different from other logograms?
- meepmorp 12y agoI don't think emoji are logograms. Logograms represent actual words in a language, as opposed to emoji which don't have a conventional mapping to words (unless you consider the unicode character names such mappings, which is odd since most users don't have any idea what the character names are).
- minikomi 12y agoIf anyone's wondering what the notched semicircle looks like, you can see it along with quite a few (all?) of the new pictographs on this pdf: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-7.0/U70-1F300.pdf http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-7.0/U70-1F300.pdf
- NoMoreNicksLeft 12y agoDammit, still no glyph for the Artist Formerly Known As Prince. Don't they realize how much of 1990s music history is unwritable thanks to this glaring omission?
- gioele 12y agoThere is no single glyph for The Artist Formerly Known As Prince, but you can use combining chars to obtain it. 01AC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T WITH HOOK 030A COMBINING RING ABOVE 0335 COMBINING SHORT STROKE OVERLAY 032C COMBINING CARON BELOW http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/Archives-Old/UML019/0611.html http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/Archives-Old/UML...
- moron4hire 12y agoTowards that artist's motivations, it would be best to keep it this way.
- smackfu 12y agoThis page has links to the proposals to add characters: http://babelstone.blogspot.com/2013/10/whats-new-in-unicode-70.html http://babelstone.blogspot.com/2013/10/whats-new-in-unicode-... Including this one with comments on the Wingdings addition. http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4239.pdf http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4239.pdf a) Ireland recommends adding the following new characters to this table: 1F597 REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED 1F598 RAISED HAND WITH PART BETWEEN MIDDLE AND RING FINGERS
- ximeng 12y agoLove the uk's understated battle with the US over Latin letter middle dot. Man in business suit levitating is another great character. Amazing that this is someone's job.
- colanderman 12y agoNote that these glyphs will appear as boxes until font designers get around to adding them to their fonts. You can have fun with this. Say you're disillusioned with your current job and planning to leave within the year. Insert these into whatever important document you're working on at the time, e.g. as bullet points or decoration around titles. Sometime after you leave, they'll reveal their true nature. A sort of "FU" time-bomb.
- moron4hire 12y agoNice, but how freaking long is it going to take to get this to show up in software anywhere? We can't currently reliably use a large swath of interesting glyphs in the current version.
- jrochkind1 12y agoEverybody's talking about new glyphs/codepoints, but unicode is actually way more than a list of codepoints. Note the announcement also includes: * Changes to the unicode collation algorithm for locale-dependent sorting (I haven't figured out what htey are yet) * New character properties and values, used for case-changing and line-breaking behavior (i think line-breaking might be locale-dependent too). * some other stuff The unicode algorithms for _doing things_ with text in appropriate ways are actually way more mind-blowing to me than just the directory of glyphs. When you start thinking about it and get into the weeds and realize how other languages work very differently than English with regard to some of this stuff -- proper "uppercase" or "sort" or "are these two strings semantically the same" across the global universe of glpyhs -- is _really_ challenging, and unicode does a pretty amazing job of it. It's sadly way more confusing to figure out if/when the unicode library of your choice has been updated to use unicode 7.0 (or even 6.0) text algorithms and full character database with properties, rather than to figure out if a given font includes the new glpyh or whatever.
- vonuebelgarten 12y agoAnd still no tengwar :(