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More like well player PR team, they failed to fix every single issue. They couldnt even let him have the home button fix, something that sounds like a simple sc

by rasz_pl 12y ago

More like well player PR team, they failed to fix every single issue. They couldnt even let him have the home button fix, something that sounds like a simple script I could write in AutoHotkey in two minutes tops. Surface team looks like a committee full of control freaks. cant give users control over home button, cant give users control over pressure curves (they brought two HARDWIRED tablets instead of writing configuration tool?).

nightpool 12y ago
Did you read the article? They're planning on distributing a pressure curve configuration tool.
- gcanyon 12y ago
  "They're planning on distributing a pressure curve configuration tool," seems like a much stronger statement than the article's actual statement, "What they proved was that MS could release an app that let artists adjust the pressure curve to suit their style. They assured me this is something they want to do."
grrowl 12y ago
It may have been specifically coded as a "proof of concept" against a pre-release version of the OS, in which case it would have been very foolish to just chuck it on the machine he depends on for his livelihood. Try not to be so arrogant in future. For Linux devices you could have developed this yourself (and assumed due responsibility) but under OSX/iOS the dev team wouldn't have been nearly as receptive to his issues.
biot 12y ago
Does your two minutes of effort also include regression testing? Did you verify that all aspects of the OS and applications which depend on the home button having a specific behavior continue to function within OS-guaranteed response times? Have you done user testing to ensure that the delay after lifting the stylus meets with user expectations and doesn't seem like the OS is frozen? Have you met with the hardware team and verified that the lift stylus event is 100% reliable so that temporarily disabling the home button doesn't run the risk of permanently disabling the button? Are there potential race conditions such that the stylus up/down events are received out of order? If in-order reliable events can't be guaranteed 100% of the time, have you implemented a suitable watchdog-style timer to catch the cases where the event isn't properly received? Has that been fully tested? Did you update the specification documentation with your modifications so that future developers can consult the updated specs in order to understand the impact your home button changes may have on their area of the OS? Or I guess you can slap in some two minute script and call it done, but I'm glad you're not building my operating system.
- CamperBob2 12y ago
  Translation: Want to beat Microsoft? This is how.
- rasz_pl 12y ago
  Process you described produced permanent hot corners that couldnt be disabled (lower right one still cant, even in W8.1) and hardcoded inconsistent WM_SYSKEY acting differently depending on application you run (ignores bindings when Task Manager has focus). Less choice is never a good strategy when it comes to UI. btw there is a way of killing home button altogether for surface, might be useful for Gabe http://www.surfaceforums.net/forum/microsoft-surface-faq-guides/3284-how-enable-disable-home-button.html http://www.surfaceforums.net/forum/microsoft-surface-faq-gui...
  - kalleboo 12y ago
    > Less choice is never a good strategy when it comes to UI. Apple has made quite a lot of money disagreeing with you there.
    - rasz_pl 12y ago
      Dont you mean despite? Look at gnome, look at W8. Targeting lowest common denominator is not something I would strive for. It took apple two years to finally deliver cut&paste on a phone. Were you really happy about lack of it? Was it a good thing?

by rasz_pl 12y ago

nightpool 12y ago

Did you read the article? They're planning on distributing a pressure curve configuration tool.

gcanyon 12y ago
"They're planning on distributing a pressure curve configuration tool," seems like a much stronger statement than the article's actual statement, "What they proved was that MS could release an app that let artists adjust the pressure curve to suit their style. They assured me this is something they want to do."

grrowl 12y ago

It may have been specifically coded as a "proof of concept" against a pre-release version of the OS, in which case it would have been very foolish to just chuck it on the machine he depends on for his livelihood. Try not to be so arrogant in future. For Linux devices you could have developed this yourself (and assumed due responsibility) but under OSX/iOS the dev team wouldn't have been nearly as receptive to his issues.

biot 12y ago

Does your two minutes of effort also include regression testing? Did you verify that all aspects of the OS and applications which depend on the home button having a specific behavior continue to function within OS-guaranteed response times? Have you done user testing to ensure that the delay after lifting the stylus meets with user expectations and doesn't seem like the OS is frozen? Have you met with the hardware team and verified that the lift stylus event is 100% reliable so that temporarily disabling the home button doesn't run the risk of permanently disabling the button? Are there potential race conditions such that the stylus up/down events are received out of order? If in-order reliable events can't be guaranteed 100% of the time, have you implemented a suitable watchdog-style timer to catch the cases where the event isn't properly received? Has that been fully tested? Did you update the specification documentation with your modifications so that future developers can consult the updated specs in order to understand the impact your home button changes may have on their area of the OS? Or I guess you can slap in some two minute script and call it done, but I'm glad you're not building my operating system.

CamperBob2 12y ago
Translation: Want to beat Microsoft? This is how.
rasz_pl 12y ago
Process you described produced permanent hot corners that couldnt be disabled (lower right one still cant, even in W8.1) and hardcoded inconsistent WM_SYSKEY acting differently depending on application you run (ignores bindings when Task Manager has focus). Less choice is never a good strategy when it comes to UI. btw there is a way of killing home button altogether for surface, might be useful for Gabe http://www.surfaceforums.net/forum/microsoft-surface-faq-guides/3284-how-enable-disable-home-button.html http://www.surfaceforums.net/forum/microsoft-surface-faq-gui...
- kalleboo 12y ago
  > Less choice is never a good strategy when it comes to UI. Apple has made quite a lot of money disagreeing with you there.
  - rasz_pl 12y ago
    Dont you mean despite? Look at gnome, look at W8. Targeting lowest common denominator is not something I would strive for. It took apple two years to finally deliver cut&paste on a phone. Were you really happy about lack of it? Was it a good thing?