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I want it for music. Would be perfect for parties as an alternative to spotify, grooveshark etc. Need queuing and support for a bunch of weird open formats and

by MrJagil 12y ago

I want it for music. Would be perfect for parties as an alternative to spotify, grooveshark etc. Need queuing and support for a bunch of weird open formats and then we're good to go.

3rd3 12y ago
How about actually paying for music instead of committing a crime?
- commentzorro 12y ago
  Too expensive. Try buying your way to a thousand song library that rotates about a quarter of the songs per year. When that becomes cheap enough for a minimum wager like me without having to weigh the tradeoffs against necessities, I'll be a buyer.
  - 3rd3 12y ago
    It never occurred to you that you simply cannot afford such a lifestyle? It seems you guys delude yourself into thinking it would be reasonable to fight their business practices with piracy while you are actually providing them with a target by breaking the law.
    - commentzorro 12y ago
      F-That! Of course it's occurred to me I can't afford "such a lifestyle." That's why I steal the content! Just because I was born into poverty, barely made it out of high school, and lack the genetics, wherewithal and mental acumen to move myself into a better life doesn't mean I'm going to deny myself life's pleasures. Screw you rich people who _can_ afford the lifestyle. If you want me to play by the rules you've made up for your society then I get what you get. Otherwise, I guess it's civil war across class lines. Then we'll make the rules! Edit: And don't downvote me if you're going to reply to my comment. Your witty riposte will just get buried too. Edit to edit: (Apologies to commenter 3rd3)
      - 3rd3 12y ago
        I can't afford it either, btw. (and didn't downvote).
        JacobEdelman 12y ago
        Wait, I know movie services might be expensive but music seems really cheap. Ever tried http://grooveshark.com/ http://grooveshark.com/?
      - sillysaurus3 12y ago
        Is your position "I'll break the law because I probably won't face consequences"? Would you go to jail for your principles? I'm honestly just curious.
        commentzorro 12y ago
        No, my position is, "I should not be denied base level entertainment pleasures just because I'm poor." Same goes for base level health care, food, shelter, etc. Take out the middle man and let the market decide what the price should be. I suspect it will be much less that what's being charged now and, without the middle men, the content creators and performers themselves will make significantly more. And no I would not go to jail for stealing music, movies, etc. What kind of a society would jail someone for such a minor offense. Oh wait, a corporate oligarchy like most of the first world has become!
        danelectro 12y ago
        IMHO the best way to bypass the middlemen is to directly put cash into the tip jars of unsigned artists performing live at locations not affiliated with BMI or ASCAP.
    - cioban 12y ago
      you entitled twat
  - viraptor 12y ago
    Is free Spotify with ads too expensive? (or even premium at $10 per month) What's the price point you're looking for? "thousand song library that rotates about a quarter of the songs per year" means 1k at start, then 250 per year. Taking spotify as an example, that's $0.01 per song the first month, then $0.48 per new song at your rate of cycling through the library.
    - commentzorro 12y ago
      Total entertainment (not discretionary) spending should be 7% of total income after taxes. Depending on where you live, that makes about $1,100 available per year. Renting (streaming or otherwise) video should be no more than ten percent (10%) of an hour of minimum wage with no commercials. So a typical movie would be about $1.10. A half hour sitcom with commercials stripped out about $0.25. A rented song should be about one tenth of a percent (.1%) of an hour of minimum wage per listen. So about a penny per song. (What you said.) But a purchased song at a dollar is too much (a dime is about right). Tying entertainment to minimum wage also has the neat benefit of having one sector of business fighting to raise minimum wage too. Spotify and their ilk are fine, but last time I looked they didn't have much in the way of the music I liked. (I'll take another look at Spotify and see if the catalog has grown to encompass my tastes.)
      - TheLoneWolfling 12y ago
        Glad you have numbers and are sticking to them. That being said, how did you arrive at 7%, may I ask? Also, by your numbers you say you play a typical song 10(=dime/(cent/song rental)) times? I suppose it's highly dependent on the person, but I personally would say ~25x. (Mean of the playback numbers of all songs I have that I have played at least once is ~21, and I occasionally play songs off of my mp3 player, etc, so it's really higher than that.) Personally, I'd love a service that was both a micropayment enabler and music player - ~one cent per 5 minutes, period.
- zafiro17 12y ago
  I buy music because I now have legal avenues to do so. It's much harder to get movies. I don't live in the USA or Europe and have sporadic bandwidth with frequent cuts. Streaming solutions are almost impossible. I want a service where I can buy a movie, download its file, and view it repeatedly, back it up, transfer it from my NAS to an external hard drive and ack again, etc. I don't know of any service that permits this. I don't share my files, don't intend to reshare my bought media, I just want a service where I can "own" the films I buy. No one provides this (except the Pirate Bay, etc.).
- YungLean 12y ago
  I pay for music, I don't pay for copies of music. Copying music is effortless and doesn't merit reward.
  - Kudos 12y ago
    So by that logic it's fine to pirate anything digital?
  - pessimizer 12y ago
    But I spent over three hours in the studio 20 years ago; all creativity will be sucked out of society if I'm not paid for that for the next 110 years. By "that", I mean the writing, not the performing. Performers who don't write can go to hell for all I care.
- cioban 12y ago
  oh, so you're one of those people
xeroxmalf 12y ago
Not quite as easy, but kind of similar in function to what you are looking for is a program called headphones[0]. It is a usenet based auto-downloader akin to sickbeard[1] or couchpotato[2]. Point it at your collection and it will automatically search out new releases at timed intervals. [0] https://github.com/rembo10/headphones https://github.com/rembo10/headphones [1] http://sickbeard.com/ http://sickbeard.com/ [2] https://couchpota.to/ https://couchpota.to/
luukholleman 12y ago
Well there was hiphop https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop but it seems it is offline for now
- nnnnni 12y ago
  It's gone forever, but it was forked: https://github.com/ajf-/hiphop.git https://github.com/ajf-/hiphop.git
- galapago 12y ago
  Apparently it's gone forever: http://gethiphop.net/ http://gethiphop.net/
  - GhostHardware 12y ago
    That didn't last long. I remember reading about it for the first time on HN about 2 weeks ago.
- vxNsr 12y ago
  Looks like they just put out (in the last 2-3 days) a new app that is legal https://github.com/hiphopapp/Atraci https://github.com/hiphopapp/Atraci
ekianjo 12y ago
There MPS for music. https://github.com/np1/mps https://github.com/np1/mps http://pandoralive.info/?p=3380 http://pandoralive.info/?p=3380
vxNsr 12y ago
There is this: https://github.com/hiphopapp/Atraci https://github.com/hiphopapp/Atraci it's a fork of hiphop by the original team and seems to have some of your reqs
- vxNsr 12y ago
  Looks like they took it down, probably wasn't ready yet.

by MrJagil 12y ago

I want it for music. Would be perfect for parties as an alternative to spotify, grooveshark etc. Need queuing and support for a bunch of weird open formats and then we're good to go.

3rd3 12y ago

How about actually paying for music instead of committing a crime?

commentzorro 12y ago
Too expensive. Try buying your way to a thousand song library that rotates about a quarter of the songs per year. When that becomes cheap enough for a minimum wager like me without having to weigh the tradeoffs against necessities, I'll be a buyer.
- 3rd3 12y ago
  It never occurred to you that you simply cannot afford such a lifestyle? It seems you guys delude yourself into thinking it would be reasonable to fight their business practices with piracy while you are actually providing them with a target by breaking the law.
  - commentzorro 12y ago
    F-That! Of course it's occurred to me I can't afford "such a lifestyle." That's why I steal the content! Just because I was born into poverty, barely made it out of high school, and lack the genetics, wherewithal and mental acumen to move myself into a better life doesn't mean I'm going to deny myself life's pleasures. Screw you rich people who _can_ afford the lifestyle. If you want me to play by the rules you've made up for your society then I get what you get. Otherwise, I guess it's civil war across class lines. Then we'll make the rules! Edit: And don't downvote me if you're going to reply to my comment. Your witty riposte will just get buried too. Edit to edit: (Apologies to commenter 3rd3)
    - 3rd3 12y ago
      I can't afford it either, btw. (and didn't downvote).
      - JacobEdelman 12y ago
        Wait, I know movie services might be expensive but music seems really cheap. Ever tried http://grooveshark.com/ http://grooveshark.com/?
    - sillysaurus3 12y ago
      Is your position "I'll break the law because I probably won't face consequences"? Would you go to jail for your principles? I'm honestly just curious.
      - commentzorro 12y ago
        No, my position is, "I should not be denied base level entertainment pleasures just because I'm poor." Same goes for base level health care, food, shelter, etc. Take out the middle man and let the market decide what the price should be. I suspect it will be much less that what's being charged now and, without the middle men, the content creators and performers themselves will make significantly more. And no I would not go to jail for stealing music, movies, etc. What kind of a society would jail someone for such a minor offense. Oh wait, a corporate oligarchy like most of the first world has become!
        danelectro 12y ago
        IMHO the best way to bypass the middlemen is to directly put cash into the tip jars of unsigned artists performing live at locations not affiliated with BMI or ASCAP.
  - cioban 12y ago
    you entitled twat
- viraptor 12y ago
  Is free Spotify with ads too expensive? (or even premium at $10 per month) What's the price point you're looking for? "thousand song library that rotates about a quarter of the songs per year" means 1k at start, then 250 per year. Taking spotify as an example, that's $0.01 per song the first month, then $0.48 per new song at your rate of cycling through the library.
  - commentzorro 12y ago
    Total entertainment (not discretionary) spending should be 7% of total income after taxes. Depending on where you live, that makes about $1,100 available per year. Renting (streaming or otherwise) video should be no more than ten percent (10%) of an hour of minimum wage with no commercials. So a typical movie would be about $1.10. A half hour sitcom with commercials stripped out about $0.25. A rented song should be about one tenth of a percent (.1%) of an hour of minimum wage per listen. So about a penny per song. (What you said.) But a purchased song at a dollar is too much (a dime is about right). Tying entertainment to minimum wage also has the neat benefit of having one sector of business fighting to raise minimum wage too. Spotify and their ilk are fine, but last time I looked they didn't have much in the way of the music I liked. (I'll take another look at Spotify and see if the catalog has grown to encompass my tastes.)
    - TheLoneWolfling 12y ago
      Glad you have numbers and are sticking to them. That being said, how did you arrive at 7%, may I ask? Also, by your numbers you say you play a typical song 10(=dime/(cent/song rental)) times? I suppose it's highly dependent on the person, but I personally would say ~25x. (Mean of the playback numbers of all songs I have that I have played at least once is ~21, and I occasionally play songs off of my mp3 player, etc, so it's really higher than that.) Personally, I'd love a service that was both a micropayment enabler and music player - ~one cent per 5 minutes, period.
zafiro17 12y ago
I buy music because I now have legal avenues to do so. It's much harder to get movies. I don't live in the USA or Europe and have sporadic bandwidth with frequent cuts. Streaming solutions are almost impossible. I want a service where I can buy a movie, download its file, and view it repeatedly, back it up, transfer it from my NAS to an external hard drive and ack again, etc. I don't know of any service that permits this. I don't share my files, don't intend to reshare my bought media, I just want a service where I can "own" the films I buy. No one provides this (except the Pirate Bay, etc.).
YungLean 12y ago
I pay for music, I don't pay for copies of music. Copying music is effortless and doesn't merit reward.
- Kudos 12y ago
  So by that logic it's fine to pirate anything digital?
- pessimizer 12y ago
  But I spent over three hours in the studio 20 years ago; all creativity will be sucked out of society if I'm not paid for that for the next 110 years. By "that", I mean the writing, not the performing. Performers who don't write can go to hell for all I care.
cioban 12y ago
oh, so you're one of those people

xeroxmalf 12y ago

Not quite as easy, but kind of similar in function to what you are looking for is a program called headphones[0]. It is a usenet based auto-downloader akin to sickbeard[1] or couchpotato[2]. Point it at your collection and it will automatically search out new releases at timed intervals. [0] https://github.com/rembo10/headphones https://github.com/rembo10/headphones [1] http://sickbeard.com/ http://sickbeard.com/ [2] https://couchpota.to/ https://couchpota.to/

luukholleman 12y ago

Well there was hiphop https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop but it seems it is offline for now

nnnnni 12y ago
It's gone forever, but it was forked: https://github.com/ajf-/hiphop.git https://github.com/ajf-/hiphop.git
galapago 12y ago
Apparently it's gone forever: http://gethiphop.net/ http://gethiphop.net/
- GhostHardware 12y ago
  That didn't last long. I remember reading about it for the first time on HN about 2 weeks ago.
vxNsr 12y ago
Looks like they just put out (in the last 2-3 days) a new app that is legal https://github.com/hiphopapp/Atraci https://github.com/hiphopapp/Atraci

ekianjo 12y ago

There MPS for music. https://github.com/np1/mps https://github.com/np1/mps http://pandoralive.info/?p=3380 http://pandoralive.info/?p=3380

vxNsr 12y ago

There is this: https://github.com/hiphopapp/Atraci https://github.com/hiphopapp/Atraci it's a fork of hiphop by the original team and seems to have some of your reqs

vxNsr 12y ago
Looks like they took it down, probably wasn't ready yet.