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Is it really your claim that SAT prep rates by race are identical to prep rates for every narrow specialized test out there? No confounding factors having to do

Is it really your claim that SAT prep rates by race are identical to prep rates for every narrow specialized test out there? No confounding factors having to do with how well known the SATs are in various communities as compared to other tests? None to do with public and charitable funding for SAT prep that doesn't exist for other tests? Nothing like that? It's a standardized test so let's extrapolate from whatever data happens to be handy? Do you have data on any narrow, specialized exam to posit this correlation with the SAT?

yummyfajitas 12y ago
I don't claim it's identical, I claim it's the best point estimate we have.
- kylebrown 12y ago
  So blacks and whites are genetically inferior to asians? Is that what the data shows from your point of view?
  - barry-cotter 12y ago
    It's people like you with your ablesist bias that are the problem. You conflated lower test scores with lesser moral worth. I really hope that was just an arguing tactic, i.e. a lie because if your estimation of people's moral worth is based on their IQ…
    - kylebrown 12y ago
      Of course it was an arguing tactic, it was an attempt to respond to yummyfajitas' race-baiting. If you want to be morally outraged, try reading the comment section of his marginalrevolution link.
    - tptacek 12y ago
      This subthread is going down the toilet, which is unfortunate because it had the ingredients for an interesting conversation but then devolved into moralizing. Something I've learned in 15 years of marriage: it's hard enough to maintain comity and charity in debates with someone who shares almost all of your values and principles, and with whose background you are thoroughly acquainted. A big part of that is that we use slightly different words and framings to convey ideas, but (I think perhaps due to combinatoric explosions) we can hear dramatically different things from each other as the little mismatches stack up. For me, this seems unsurprisingly to be especially the case in abstract discussions. So I think there's little hope in sustaining a moral debate 3 comments deep on a thread with a stranger on HN, and I think we'd all be a little better off if we stopped pretending we could.
      - barry-cotter 12y ago
        I regret the tone and the resulting loss of an opportunity to persuade bystanders who aren't mostly of the same opinion as me already. In future I shall aim to be more Scott Alexander and less Charles Clymer/Arthur Chu.

yummyfajitas 12y ago

I don't claim it's identical, I claim it's the best point estimate we have.

kylebrown 12y ago
So blacks and whites are genetically inferior to asians? Is that what the data shows from your point of view?
- barry-cotter 12y ago
  It's people like you with your ablesist bias that are the problem. You conflated lower test scores with lesser moral worth. I really hope that was just an arguing tactic, i.e. a lie because if your estimation of people's moral worth is based on their IQ…
  - kylebrown 12y ago
    Of course it was an arguing tactic, it was an attempt to respond to yummyfajitas' race-baiting. If you want to be morally outraged, try reading the comment section of his marginalrevolution link.
  - tptacek 12y ago
    This subthread is going down the toilet, which is unfortunate because it had the ingredients for an interesting conversation but then devolved into moralizing. Something I've learned in 15 years of marriage: it's hard enough to maintain comity and charity in debates with someone who shares almost all of your values and principles, and with whose background you are thoroughly acquainted. A big part of that is that we use slightly different words and framings to convey ideas, but (I think perhaps due to combinatoric explosions) we can hear dramatically different things from each other as the little mismatches stack up. For me, this seems unsurprisingly to be especially the case in abstract discussions. So I think there's little hope in sustaining a moral debate 3 comments deep on a thread with a stranger on HN, and I think we'd all be a little better off if we stopped pretending we could.
    - barry-cotter 12y ago
      I regret the tone and the resulting loss of an opportunity to persuade bystanders who aren't mostly of the same opinion as me already. In future I shall aim to be more Scott Alexander and less Charles Clymer/Arthur Chu.