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I've noticed that doors on expensive cars are much heavier and "solid" feeling than lower-end models. Maybe the manufacturers picked up on this.

by ashishk 17y ago

TallGuyShort 17y ago
Being heavy can also give you the illusion of being "solidly built"
- electromagnetic 17y ago
  This only works if you have naturally broad shoulders. If you don't have broad shoulders and you're heavy, you tend to look like a dough ball. I'm sure a lot of this is more down to human's perceptions, broad shoulders are essentially equivalent to strength. You weren't afraid of the beanpole in school, you was afraid of the cubic jock. A large proportion of female founders and CEO's typically have broader shoulders, and the same is usually true for male CEO's. The same is true with congressmen/women. This has been recognised for a long time, I mean look at the portraits of Henry VIII and virtually any other king, and even queens.
  - ahoyhere 17y ago
    I am a woman with extremely broad shoulders (and an abnormally high amount of muscle mass, not to mention man-sized extremities). I've sometimes wondered if part of the reason I am the way I am, attitudinally, is due to the kind of hormone configuration that would build my body this way. But, in any event -- you have to be careful if you're saying "women CEOs have broader shoulders" and then compare it to fictional depictions of people from the pre-photographic past (e.g. portraits). For the longest time, portraits were in many ways symbolic and metaphorical. Features would be highlighted, added, or exaggerated to make a statement. Not to mention the staging of the whole thing. Think about that famous painting of the scarily-dressed, hook-nosed man and the pregnant woman. It is a painting depicting a wedding, and yet the woman is comically pregnant. I've read quite a bit about this painting, tho its name escapes me -- and everything seems to argue that not only is her pregnancy purely symbolic (fruitful), but so is much of the rest of the setting. It is notable also because there is a convex mirror behind them, showing their backs and the room. The bit of art criticism I was reading, about mirrors, made the case that even the mirror was symbolic of the past.
    - jibiki 17y ago
      > Think about that famous painting of the scarily-dressed, hook-nosed man and the pregnant woman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnolfini_Portrait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnolfini_Portrait ?
    - electromagnetic 17y ago
      My point was that certain traits are highlighted and exaggerated for a reason, broad shoulders in men and women were seen as commanding. This meant that their attire exaggerated this in their courts, IIRC it was common for visiting Kings or Queens to wear less dramatic attire when the purpose was alliance seeking and wore more dramatic attire when the purpose was to be threatening. Modern CEO's and Presidents don't display this type of showmanship in their attire, however take a look at Presidential portraits and portraits of the First Ladies, they still strike the artificial poses displaying broad shoulders. It would take you an exceptionally long time to find a successful political figure in a posture that doesn't make them look commanding. They're actually trained to hold certain postures and frequently have personal gym instructors to help improve posture, this got leaked about President Sarkozy in France as he was mildly overweight, causing him to change to more comfortable postures in long meetings and speeches, etc. People take posture to be quite trivial, but the amount of time spent on it by our societies elite really shows how important it is. I can't remember where I read it, but it can supposedly boost approval ratings by ~10% for presidents.
bouncingsoul 17y ago
A lot of extra thought that goes into high-end cars. I remember reading an article about how the sound of the door shutting is carefully tweaked to make it feel substantial and expensive. Edit: Found this: http://soundinthemachine.org/2009/01/21/the-swaying-car-door.aspx http://soundinthemachine.org/2009/01/21/the-swaying-car-door... Few things sound like they actually do. The sounds made by technology are more a story about what it should sound like than what it actually does. Because drivers don’t get the sensation of a “real” car in a hybrid electric car, speakers are now being placed in the cab to play synthetic engine noise for the driver. And, because it’s synthetic, the noise piped into a Prius can be made to sound like a Lamborghini.
- jws 17y ago
  Yesterday's BMW article had in interesting section on how they made a special dual mass flywheel to dampen vibration at lower RPMs so the sound would be more agreeable and people would not downshift as early. A lot of effort and expense to work around a misprogrammed driver.
- philwelch 17y ago
  God, I wish you can turn off the synthetic engine noise. Part of what's exhausting about driving is the constant droning noise.

I've noticed that doors on expensive cars are much heavier and "solid" feeling than lower-end models. Maybe the manufacturers picked up on this.

by ashishk 17y ago

I've noticed that doors on expensive cars are much heavier and "solid" feeling than lower-end models. Maybe the manufacturers picked up on this.

TallGuyShort 17y ago

Being heavy can also give you the illusion of being "solidly built"

electromagnetic 17y ago
This only works if you have naturally broad shoulders. If you don't have broad shoulders and you're heavy, you tend to look like a dough ball. I'm sure a lot of this is more down to human's perceptions, broad shoulders are essentially equivalent to strength. You weren't afraid of the beanpole in school, you was afraid of the cubic jock. A large proportion of female founders and CEO's typically have broader shoulders, and the same is usually true for male CEO's. The same is true with congressmen/women. This has been recognised for a long time, I mean look at the portraits of Henry VIII and virtually any other king, and even queens.
- ahoyhere 17y ago
  I am a woman with extremely broad shoulders (and an abnormally high amount of muscle mass, not to mention man-sized extremities). I've sometimes wondered if part of the reason I am the way I am, attitudinally, is due to the kind of hormone configuration that would build my body this way. But, in any event -- you have to be careful if you're saying "women CEOs have broader shoulders" and then compare it to fictional depictions of people from the pre-photographic past (e.g. portraits). For the longest time, portraits were in many ways symbolic and metaphorical. Features would be highlighted, added, or exaggerated to make a statement. Not to mention the staging of the whole thing. Think about that famous painting of the scarily-dressed, hook-nosed man and the pregnant woman. It is a painting depicting a wedding, and yet the woman is comically pregnant. I've read quite a bit about this painting, tho its name escapes me -- and everything seems to argue that not only is her pregnancy purely symbolic (fruitful), but so is much of the rest of the setting. It is notable also because there is a convex mirror behind them, showing their backs and the room. The bit of art criticism I was reading, about mirrors, made the case that even the mirror was symbolic of the past.
  - jibiki 17y ago
    > Think about that famous painting of the scarily-dressed, hook-nosed man and the pregnant woman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnolfini_Portrait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnolfini_Portrait ?
  - electromagnetic 17y ago
    My point was that certain traits are highlighted and exaggerated for a reason, broad shoulders in men and women were seen as commanding. This meant that their attire exaggerated this in their courts, IIRC it was common for visiting Kings or Queens to wear less dramatic attire when the purpose was alliance seeking and wore more dramatic attire when the purpose was to be threatening. Modern CEO's and Presidents don't display this type of showmanship in their attire, however take a look at Presidential portraits and portraits of the First Ladies, they still strike the artificial poses displaying broad shoulders. It would take you an exceptionally long time to find a successful political figure in a posture that doesn't make them look commanding. They're actually trained to hold certain postures and frequently have personal gym instructors to help improve posture, this got leaked about President Sarkozy in France as he was mildly overweight, causing him to change to more comfortable postures in long meetings and speeches, etc. People take posture to be quite trivial, but the amount of time spent on it by our societies elite really shows how important it is. I can't remember where I read it, but it can supposedly boost approval ratings by ~10% for presidents.

bouncingsoul 17y ago

A lot of extra thought that goes into high-end cars. I remember reading an article about how the sound of the door shutting is carefully tweaked to make it feel substantial and expensive. Edit: Found this: http://soundinthemachine.org/2009/01/21/the-swaying-car-door.aspx http://soundinthemachine.org/2009/01/21/the-swaying-car-door... Few things sound like they actually do. The sounds made by technology are more a story about what it should sound like than what it actually does. Because drivers don’t get the sensation of a “real” car in a hybrid electric car, speakers are now being placed in the cab to play synthetic engine noise for the driver. And, because it’s synthetic, the noise piped into a Prius can be made to sound like a Lamborghini.

jws 17y ago
Yesterday's BMW article had in interesting section on how they made a special dual mass flywheel to dampen vibration at lower RPMs so the sound would be more agreeable and people would not downshift as early. A lot of effort and expense to work around a misprogrammed driver.
philwelch 17y ago
God, I wish you can turn off the synthetic engine noise. Part of what's exhausting about driving is the constant droning noise.