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I feel like I'm missing something here. A very young girl died of cancer. That's pretty sad, but I fail to see how it's anymore sad than the hundreds/thousands

I feel like I'm missing something here. A very young girl died of cancer. That's pretty sad, but I fail to see how it's anymore sad than the hundreds/thousands of people who die of cancer every day. Millions of people will have died of cancer by the end of this year. So we have all these people tweeting this hashtag and coloring their Twitter avatar purple, because Rebecca's favorite color was purple (no non-sequitur there). Why? Why are we mourning the death of this particular individual; what about her plight is so unique? To me it just seems like bandwagoning. Surely there's some aspect of this that I do not understand or of which I am unaware.

cryptophreak 12y ago
Many, many people who work on the Web are familiar with Eric Meyer and have used his Reset CSS, and so it feels more personal for some.
auxbuss 12y ago
I don't know Eric Meyer personally, but I've known him on the interwebs for decades. He's one of the folk from the early days who is very familiar to many of us. In the same way that I don't personally know Linus, Mark Andreesen, Tim Berners-Lee, et al, I remember the days on usenet when we all hung out and got shit done. I'm a nobody in the grand scheme of things -- and I'm quite okay with that -- but there have been thousands of us who made all the stuff we use today happen. Eric is one of those who made a little more impact than the rest of us anonymous folk. And for many of us who shared the delights of his work, we share his pain. If we only acknowledge the big names, the "celebrities" if you will, then we've lost our soul. The internet has been built by thousands, not a handful, and Eric is someone many of us associate with. That's why we are all sad today and why we want to show solidarity. Burying a parent is hard. I cannot fathom burying a six year old child.
freshyill 12y ago
People are doing this because Eric helped to take CSS from its infancy into the modern usage we have today. He wrote CSS: The Definitive Guide and many other books on the topics. He co-founded the An Event Apart conferences. Nearly every site on the internet has been directly or indirectly influenced by his work. Over the past year, he has documented, with great clarity, everything his family has experienced since his daughter fell ill on a family vacation last summer. I've met him at An Event Apart, and I can also say that he's a really nice guy. Now pay attention to this next part because it might be hard to follow. As humans, many of us empathize with this profound loss experienced by someone whose work has been so influential in our own careers. As humans, many of us have experienced similar loss. Many more of us, as parents, hope never to have to. If that's unclear, perhaps someone who is a better programmer than I can translate it into code and put it in a Gist.
- joaren 12y ago
  Try being a bit less condescending. Just because someone thinks displays like this are hypocritical doesn't mean they are heartless. It could mean they are acutely aware that the only reason people care about this is incidental circumstance, and that equally sad events pass by without scrutiny because it didn't happen to someone who's milked it out for attention. Because that's what blogging about your daughter's cancer is. If you're the kind of person who prefers fairness over indulging feels, then token efforts like pinning ribbons to things look like an ostentatious display of hypocrisy to friends and family, to show that you care about something everyone still collectively agrees not to do anything about (i.e. a kid dying).
  - freshyill 12y ago
    Either he's feigning ignorance over why anybody would be the slightest bit empathetic toward the death of Eric Meyer's daughter or he's too much of a robot to actually understand. You can make an argument that HN must be 100 percent on-topic, at all times, and that it doesn't belong here. But you can also argue that we are all humans and we can just accept it once in a while, even here. To jump to the conclusion that it's all just for show, and nobody will actually take any sort of real action is pure cynicism. People have actually been affected by this, in ways that are certainly small in comparison to the the way the Meyer family has been. The most visible gestures might not accomplish much, but many people are actually donating money to charities that have a very real impact.
    - joaren 12y ago
      A year from now the people who turned their avatars purple today won't remember the hash tag or what it was for. This isn't about one kid dying, or many kids dying. It's about a bunch of people frantically acting to hide their sense of impotence.
      - freshyill 12y ago
        I disagree. Eric Meyer has been writing about Rebecca's cancer since they found out on their vacation last summer, and many have been following. This isn't something that just happened today. It's been happening for nearly a year. The thoughts it raises, particularly for parents, are not the kind that can just be dismissed once the hashtag stops trending.
DanBC 12y ago
I am a bit confused about your post. How old are you? How have you managed to live without learning that people do stuff like this - they wear little coloured ribbons or wristbands or etc. when someone dies people will talk about how clever / nice / awesome etc (even if they weren't). While I agree with you (I don't know him; I didn't know her; I don't care that she's dead; I see zero point in concentrating more on her death than on any of the many thousands of other deaths; etc etc) I do know that posting questions like your will just annoy or distress people and also will not serve any point. So I tend to bite my tongue when things like this suggestion come up. People want to tinker with a CSS value? Sure, go ahead. People want to attach special meaning to that? Yep, fine. People want to link to and discuss best modern research for the illness that she died from, with links to funding for research or Watsi funding for other existing patients? Brilliant, I might even donate. But I've learnt to hide my real feelings - the neuro-typicals have kicked them out of me over the years.
- follyfalls 12y ago
  If they're entitled to their bullshit, then why am I not entitled to mine? If I'm annoyed or distressed by their bullshit, why should the not be distressed by mine? Is it because my opinion is less popular? That's it? For the record, I'm 28.
- adamconroy 12y ago
  It is quite arbitrary to mourn someone you don't know who was a relative of someone else you don't know. However I am inclined to agree, just let it go, if people want to mourn let them mourn, even if it just bandwagon jumping. If you asked Nietzsche, he would probably say they are just mourning their own mortality, ie there is no such thing as a selfless act, they are just doing to feel good about themselves. And surely it won't be as bad as the Steve Jobs fiasco.

cryptophreak 12y ago

Many, many people who work on the Web are familiar with Eric Meyer and have used his Reset CSS, and so it feels more personal for some.

auxbuss 12y ago

I don't know Eric Meyer personally, but I've known him on the interwebs for decades. He's one of the folk from the early days who is very familiar to many of us. In the same way that I don't personally know Linus, Mark Andreesen, Tim Berners-Lee, et al, I remember the days on usenet when we all hung out and got shit done. I'm a nobody in the grand scheme of things -- and I'm quite okay with that -- but there have been thousands of us who made all the stuff we use today happen. Eric is one of those who made a little more impact than the rest of us anonymous folk. And for many of us who shared the delights of his work, we share his pain. If we only acknowledge the big names, the "celebrities" if you will, then we've lost our soul. The internet has been built by thousands, not a handful, and Eric is someone many of us associate with. That's why we are all sad today and why we want to show solidarity. Burying a parent is hard. I cannot fathom burying a six year old child.

freshyill 12y ago

People are doing this because Eric helped to take CSS from its infancy into the modern usage we have today. He wrote CSS: The Definitive Guide and many other books on the topics. He co-founded the An Event Apart conferences. Nearly every site on the internet has been directly or indirectly influenced by his work. Over the past year, he has documented, with great clarity, everything his family has experienced since his daughter fell ill on a family vacation last summer. I've met him at An Event Apart, and I can also say that he's a really nice guy. Now pay attention to this next part because it might be hard to follow. As humans, many of us empathize with this profound loss experienced by someone whose work has been so influential in our own careers. As humans, many of us have experienced similar loss. Many more of us, as parents, hope never to have to. If that's unclear, perhaps someone who is a better programmer than I can translate it into code and put it in a Gist.

joaren 12y ago
Try being a bit less condescending. Just because someone thinks displays like this are hypocritical doesn't mean they are heartless. It could mean they are acutely aware that the only reason people care about this is incidental circumstance, and that equally sad events pass by without scrutiny because it didn't happen to someone who's milked it out for attention. Because that's what blogging about your daughter's cancer is. If you're the kind of person who prefers fairness over indulging feels, then token efforts like pinning ribbons to things look like an ostentatious display of hypocrisy to friends and family, to show that you care about something everyone still collectively agrees not to do anything about (i.e. a kid dying).
- freshyill 12y ago
  Either he's feigning ignorance over why anybody would be the slightest bit empathetic toward the death of Eric Meyer's daughter or he's too much of a robot to actually understand. You can make an argument that HN must be 100 percent on-topic, at all times, and that it doesn't belong here. But you can also argue that we are all humans and we can just accept it once in a while, even here. To jump to the conclusion that it's all just for show, and nobody will actually take any sort of real action is pure cynicism. People have actually been affected by this, in ways that are certainly small in comparison to the the way the Meyer family has been. The most visible gestures might not accomplish much, but many people are actually donating money to charities that have a very real impact.
  - joaren 12y ago
    A year from now the people who turned their avatars purple today won't remember the hash tag or what it was for. This isn't about one kid dying, or many kids dying. It's about a bunch of people frantically acting to hide their sense of impotence.
    - freshyill 12y ago
      I disagree. Eric Meyer has been writing about Rebecca's cancer since they found out on their vacation last summer, and many have been following. This isn't something that just happened today. It's been happening for nearly a year. The thoughts it raises, particularly for parents, are not the kind that can just be dismissed once the hashtag stops trending.

DanBC 12y ago

I am a bit confused about your post. How old are you? How have you managed to live without learning that people do stuff like this - they wear little coloured ribbons or wristbands or etc. when someone dies people will talk about how clever / nice / awesome etc (even if they weren't). While I agree with you (I don't know him; I didn't know her; I don't care that she's dead; I see zero point in concentrating more on her death than on any of the many thousands of other deaths; etc etc) I do know that posting questions like your will just annoy or distress people and also will not serve any point. So I tend to bite my tongue when things like this suggestion come up. People want to tinker with a CSS value? Sure, go ahead. People want to attach special meaning to that? Yep, fine. People want to link to and discuss best modern research for the illness that she died from, with links to funding for research or Watsi funding for other existing patients? Brilliant, I might even donate. But I've learnt to hide my real feelings - the neuro-typicals have kicked them out of me over the years.

follyfalls 12y ago
If they're entitled to their bullshit, then why am I not entitled to mine? If I'm annoyed or distressed by their bullshit, why should the not be distressed by mine? Is it because my opinion is less popular? That's it? For the record, I'm 28.
adamconroy 12y ago
It is quite arbitrary to mourn someone you don't know who was a relative of someone else you don't know. However I am inclined to agree, just let it go, if people want to mourn let them mourn, even if it just bandwagon jumping. If you asked Nietzsche, he would probably say they are just mourning their own mortality, ie there is no such thing as a selfless act, they are just doing to feel good about themselves. And surely it won't be as bad as the Steve Jobs fiasco.