> "(...) got the mental model for JavaScript apps right from the start." If you remove the Views from Backbone the only thing left of value are the Models and

> "(...) got the mental model for JavaScript apps right from the start." If you remove the Views from Backbone the only thing left of value are the Models and Collections. Are you saying they got those "right"? I really have no idea what that means. On the contrary — I think Backbone got a number of things wrong. Their router especially. > "Ember just seems to have been marketed much better than Batman was (...)" You said that Batman was buggy and got MVC wrong. Perhaps Ember is /not/ buggy and actually manages to deal with state quite well?