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Brazil is not a major power.

by dfc 12y ago

gtirloni 12y ago
In which area exactly? Since 2005 it's been featured in the top 10 biggest economies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomin... http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/world_economies_gdp/ http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/world_economies_gdp/ Do you mean it's not a major power in privacy-related matters? It might not be and all the actions from the current president could just be PR stunts but at least the talks are happening in a certain direction (opposite to the US vision).
- dfc 12y ago
  > In which area exactly? This question really gets to the heart of what it means to be a major power. If you have to narrow the examination to focus on somethings and exclude others you are not dealing with a major power. Major powers are major players in military, economic, diplomatic, and cultural spheres (it is important to note that these are big spheres too, like global sized spheres). I have never heard anyone say that Brazil is anything other than a regional power. If you are interested in learning more about power in international relations here are some wikipedia entries that might be a good start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28international_relations%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28international_relatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_power Addendum: It seems that you are from Brazil. Please do not take this personally or interpret it as a dismissal of Brazil.
  - gtirloni 12y ago
    Got it, and it makes perfect sense. Your initial comment was a bit too dry so I wanted to clarify. Thanks for those links, they look very interesting. Brazil aspires to be a world power but its execution is always sub par. I really like the quote that says "Brazil is the country of the future, and will always be". It is so true. We're certainly no military (our presence in Haiti is a joke) or economic power (our GDP is increasing mainly due to population size and small improvements in quality of life for really poor people, but industry productivity and innovation are, again, a joke and not taken seriously here). We like to think that in diplomatic issues Brazil has played some kind of middleman role but that's questionable (people won't give you status/credit just because.. and we don't even use the economic weight correctly, often trying to be the good guys) and in cultural sphere.. well, soccer and carnival are not something I'm proud of. Thanks again for your explanation, it's certainly spot on.
    - dfc 12y ago
      The aspirational bit is spot on and the G4 membership is a great example of the bigger aspirations. When I said I had never heard Brazil mentioned as anything other than a regional power I kind of lied. I have frequently heard that Brazil aspires to be a major power. I am glad that you did not take any offense to my comments. I actually have always been interested in Brazil, the flag was probably one of the first countries' flags I could recognize as a child after US, Canada and USSR (at the time). My mother went to Brazil with American Foreign Service in the 60s. So ever since I was a little kid I remember getting a Christmas card from her host family and I have always wanted to take them up on the open offer to come visit.
  - tormeh 12y ago
    I would say that Brazil is no lesser a power than Russia. Russia just makes more noise. India is in the same league, I guess. The EU is lacking in diplomatic unity and militaristic strength. If we set the threshold above those, we're left with the US and China.
    - dfc 12y ago
      No lesser a power? The only way this possibly makes sense is if we restrict our investigation to economic power. And as I said above when you have to restrict the assessment to one category you are no longer talking about major/great powers. That being said economic power is one component of being a "great/major power" and I have no problem saying Brazil is definitely neck and neck with Russia when it comes to economic indicators. When you consider military and diplomatic might it is no contest. The nice thing is we have two quick and easy litmus tests for diplomatic and military power: season tickets to the security council and nuclear weapons. Things do not get any better if you dig a little deeper. Russia easily doubles Brazilian military spending and has battle tested forces. Speaking of forces Russia has six times the number of active duty personnel. On the diplomatic front I am at a loss for anything that Brazil has been involved in that comes close to Russia's participation in talks with Iran and North Korea.

Brazil is not a major power.

by dfc 12y ago

Brazil is not a major power.

In which area exactly? Since 2005 it's been featured in the top 10 biggest economies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomin... http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/world_economies_gdp/ http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/world_economies_gdp/ Do you mean it's not a major power in privacy-related matters? It might not be and all the actions from the current president could just be PR stunts but at least the talks are happening in a certain direction (opposite to the US vision).

dfc 12y ago
> In which area exactly? This question really gets to the heart of what it means to be a major power. If you have to narrow the examination to focus on somethings and exclude others you are not dealing with a major power. Major powers are major players in military, economic, diplomatic, and cultural spheres (it is important to note that these are big spheres too, like global sized spheres). I have never heard anyone say that Brazil is anything other than a regional power. If you are interested in learning more about power in international relations here are some wikipedia entries that might be a good start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28international_relations%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28international_relatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_power Addendum: It seems that you are from Brazil. Please do not take this personally or interpret it as a dismissal of Brazil.
- gtirloni 12y ago
  Got it, and it makes perfect sense. Your initial comment was a bit too dry so I wanted to clarify. Thanks for those links, they look very interesting. Brazil aspires to be a world power but its execution is always sub par. I really like the quote that says "Brazil is the country of the future, and will always be". It is so true. We're certainly no military (our presence in Haiti is a joke) or economic power (our GDP is increasing mainly due to population size and small improvements in quality of life for really poor people, but industry productivity and innovation are, again, a joke and not taken seriously here). We like to think that in diplomatic issues Brazil has played some kind of middleman role but that's questionable (people won't give you status/credit just because.. and we don't even use the economic weight correctly, often trying to be the good guys) and in cultural sphere.. well, soccer and carnival are not something I'm proud of. Thanks again for your explanation, it's certainly spot on.
  - dfc 12y ago
    The aspirational bit is spot on and the G4 membership is a great example of the bigger aspirations. When I said I had never heard Brazil mentioned as anything other than a regional power I kind of lied. I have frequently heard that Brazil aspires to be a major power. I am glad that you did not take any offense to my comments. I actually have always been interested in Brazil, the flag was probably one of the first countries' flags I could recognize as a child after US, Canada and USSR (at the time). My mother went to Brazil with American Foreign Service in the 60s. So ever since I was a little kid I remember getting a Christmas card from her host family and I have always wanted to take them up on the open offer to come visit.
- tormeh 12y ago
  I would say that Brazil is no lesser a power than Russia. Russia just makes more noise. India is in the same league, I guess. The EU is lacking in diplomatic unity and militaristic strength. If we set the threshold above those, we're left with the US and China.
  - dfc 12y ago
    No lesser a power? The only way this possibly makes sense is if we restrict our investigation to economic power. And as I said above when you have to restrict the assessment to one category you are no longer talking about major/great powers. That being said economic power is one component of being a "great/major power" and I have no problem saying Brazil is definitely neck and neck with Russia when it comes to economic indicators. When you consider military and diplomatic might it is no contest. The nice thing is we have two quick and easy litmus tests for diplomatic and military power: season tickets to the security council and nuclear weapons. Things do not get any better if you dig a little deeper. Russia easily doubles Brazilian military spending and has battle tested forces. Speaking of forces Russia has six times the number of active duty personnel. On the diplomatic front I am at a loss for anything that Brazil has been involved in that comes close to Russia's participation in talks with Iran and North Korea.