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This website is even difficult to read on a regular desktop browser (too wide, downvoted comments increasingly impossible to read causing eye strain). I recomme

This website is even difficult to read on a regular desktop browser (too wide, downvoted comments increasingly impossible to read causing eye strain). I recommend using your own content script with Chrome. This may not help on your iPad but on Android you can use Firefox with your own userscript. It's the only way I can tolerate it. It would probably take a competent someone a few hours to fix the readability issues of this site but they just never get around to it. Edit: Here's a link to what all comments look like for me, even if they're downvoted: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/v5zcn9n4vg4m3cn/2014-06-12%20at%208.30%20AM%202x.png http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/v5zcn9n4vg4m3cn/2014-06-1... I also disabled scores and voting because I dislike that stuff. This is the home page: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/sicqor50smsl4hx/2014-06-12%20at%208.35%20AM%202x.png http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/sicqor50smsl4hx/2014-06-1...

pjc50 12y ago
HN is tiny and unreadable in default Android chrome.
dbaupp 12y ago
I don't think joblessjunkie was talking about HN.
shutupalready 12y ago
joblessjunkie means the original article's site. Pinch-to-zoom works fine on HackerNews on an iPad, and the HackerNews font is nothing unusual. Regarding HN being too wide, why don't you narrow your browser window? Personally, I like the fact the traditional web design in which HN adjusts the line to screen width rather than imposing a width.
- claudius 12y ago
  Hm, I’d be happy with some max-width:50em or so on the actual text. Now if only Firefox had a built-in way to apply custom user stylesheets to websites…
  - deleted 12y ago
    [deleted]
  - pmontra 12y ago
    It's not built-in but the Stylish extension does that.
    - krapp 12y ago
      greasemonkey can too, with the added benefit of being able to script the page as well.
    - sp332 12y ago
      Claudius is being sarcastic. http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserContent.css http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserContent.css
      - judk 12y ago
        Chrome however is deprecating this feature. Stylish will be required.
      - claudius 12y ago
        Sarcastic, yes, but mostly relating to Opera 12.x’s UserCSS features; I didn’t actually know about userContent.css. Thanks for the pointer, although it seems to be impossible to only apply it to certain sites?
        sp332 12y ago
        @-moz-document url-prefix() or @-moz-document domain() ? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@document https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@document http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=286866 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=286866
        claudius 12y ago
        Yay, thank you for the handholding, it actually seems to work quite nicely :-)
- leorocky 12y ago
  > Regarding HN being too wide, why don't you narrow your browser window? Narrow my browser window because this one site makes it difficult to read? I could do that, or I could just use a content script and leave my browser at the width I prefer. I maximize my browser for distraction free reading.
  - mreiland 12y ago
    Can you explain to me the issue with it being too wide? I may not be understanding it, because I just maximized the window and I don't see any issue, really.
- joesmo 12y ago
  Oftentimes, narrowing HN below 1280px is still not enough as the content then scrolls sideways, so there is a very good argument for putting a width on content that doesn't adjust to the window size properly.
- Alupis 12y ago
  The Original article seems to mis-quote browser marketshare. They have IE10 listed as 3% of the market and "Other" as 36%? And all the IE's combined for 19% market share? Everything I've seen (except the original article) list the IE's at a combined market share somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-70%., with IE8 still having a dominant 15-20%.
  - tendom 12y ago
    I'm not sure what the global numbers are at right now, but Microsoft and Google have roughly 30% each in America.
  - wfjackson 12y ago
    See my other comment for the reason for discrepancy. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7883973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7883973
- judk 12y ago
  HN doesn't reflow/wrap text to window size on Android Chrome or Firefox. Only the pre-KitKat "Browser" works on HN.
  - pbz 12y ago
    Opera kept that feature, it works.
    - andyroid 12y ago
      I just downloaded Opera for Android because of this, but no, it does not work as the old android browser did. Or do I need to adjust a setting for this somewhere?
- thefreeman 12y ago
  Personally, I like the fact the traditional web design in which HN adjusts the line to screen width rather than imposing a width. Its just that it ruins the experience on mobile devices because you can't resize the window and zooming doesn't reflow the text. for what it's worth, I don't really have a problem with it. They provide an API and there are like 90 billion ycombinator mobile apps to choose from which do a better job.
  - mreiland 12y ago
    ah, it's a mobile issue. I strictly use a desktop for HN and was confused about why people were complaining.
- EpicEng 12y ago
  Eight,I'm sure I'm going to resize my browser just to read HN and then maximize it again when I navigate away to a site which uses a sane content width. No need to be an apologist. I like the content here,but the design in many respects,is awful (expired links anyone?).
  - mreiland 12y ago
    I have no issues whatsoever with the width/layout issues, but the expires links... yes.
Aardwolf 12y ago
Just select the text of a downvoted comment to have readable colors
DanBC 12y ago
Hard to read downvoted comments is a feature not a usability bug. Down voted comments are supposed to be hard for everyone to read.
- alistairSH 12y ago
  I don't think a screen reader would pick up the down-voted comments as different from other comments. So, it's still broken from an accessibility standpoint.
  - dspeyer 12y ago
    Aural style sheets? Do they work?
    - Isofarro 12y ago
      I think Emacspeak was the only screen reader that supported even just a limited subset of aural styles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak
glitchdout 12y ago
On my desktop browser, I can only browse Hacker News with zoom at 150%.

pjc50 12y ago

HN is tiny and unreadable in default Android chrome.

dbaupp 12y ago

I don't think joblessjunkie was talking about HN.

shutupalready 12y ago

joblessjunkie means the original article's site. Pinch-to-zoom works fine on HackerNews on an iPad, and the HackerNews font is nothing unusual. Regarding HN being too wide, why don't you narrow your browser window? Personally, I like the fact the traditional web design in which HN adjusts the line to screen width rather than imposing a width.

claudius 12y ago
Hm, I’d be happy with some max-width:50em or so on the actual text. Now if only Firefox had a built-in way to apply custom user stylesheets to websites…
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
- pmontra 12y ago
  It's not built-in but the Stylish extension does that.
  - krapp 12y ago
    greasemonkey can too, with the added benefit of being able to script the page as well.
  - sp332 12y ago
    Claudius is being sarcastic. http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserContent.css http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserContent.css
    - judk 12y ago
      Chrome however is deprecating this feature. Stylish will be required.
    - claudius 12y ago
      Sarcastic, yes, but mostly relating to Opera 12.x’s UserCSS features; I didn’t actually know about userContent.css. Thanks for the pointer, although it seems to be impossible to only apply it to certain sites?
      - sp332 12y ago
        @-moz-document url-prefix() or @-moz-document domain() ? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@document https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@document http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=286866 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=286866
        claudius 12y ago
        Yay, thank you for the handholding, it actually seems to work quite nicely :-)
leorocky 12y ago
> Regarding HN being too wide, why don't you narrow your browser window? Narrow my browser window because this one site makes it difficult to read? I could do that, or I could just use a content script and leave my browser at the width I prefer. I maximize my browser for distraction free reading.
- mreiland 12y ago
  Can you explain to me the issue with it being too wide? I may not be understanding it, because I just maximized the window and I don't see any issue, really.
joesmo 12y ago
Oftentimes, narrowing HN below 1280px is still not enough as the content then scrolls sideways, so there is a very good argument for putting a width on content that doesn't adjust to the window size properly.
Alupis 12y ago
The Original article seems to mis-quote browser marketshare. They have IE10 listed as 3% of the market and "Other" as 36%? And all the IE's combined for 19% market share? Everything I've seen (except the original article) list the IE's at a combined market share somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-70%., with IE8 still having a dominant 15-20%.
- tendom 12y ago
  I'm not sure what the global numbers are at right now, but Microsoft and Google have roughly 30% each in America.
- wfjackson 12y ago
  See my other comment for the reason for discrepancy. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7883973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7883973
judk 12y ago
HN doesn't reflow/wrap text to window size on Android Chrome or Firefox. Only the pre-KitKat "Browser" works on HN.
- pbz 12y ago
  Opera kept that feature, it works.
  - andyroid 12y ago
    I just downloaded Opera for Android because of this, but no, it does not work as the old android browser did. Or do I need to adjust a setting for this somewhere?
thefreeman 12y ago
Personally, I like the fact the traditional web design in which HN adjusts the line to screen width rather than imposing a width. Its just that it ruins the experience on mobile devices because you can't resize the window and zooming doesn't reflow the text. for what it's worth, I don't really have a problem with it. They provide an API and there are like 90 billion ycombinator mobile apps to choose from which do a better job.
- mreiland 12y ago
  ah, it's a mobile issue. I strictly use a desktop for HN and was confused about why people were complaining.
EpicEng 12y ago
Eight,I'm sure I'm going to resize my browser just to read HN and then maximize it again when I navigate away to a site which uses a sane content width. No need to be an apologist. I like the content here,but the design in many respects,is awful (expired links anyone?).
- mreiland 12y ago
  I have no issues whatsoever with the width/layout issues, but the expires links... yes.

Aardwolf 12y ago

Just select the text of a downvoted comment to have readable colors

DanBC 12y ago

Hard to read downvoted comments is a feature not a usability bug. Down voted comments are supposed to be hard for everyone to read.

alistairSH 12y ago
I don't think a screen reader would pick up the down-voted comments as different from other comments. So, it's still broken from an accessibility standpoint.
- dspeyer 12y ago
  Aural style sheets? Do they work?
  - Isofarro 12y ago
    I think Emacspeak was the only screen reader that supported even just a limited subset of aural styles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak

glitchdout 12y ago

On my desktop browser, I can only browse Hacker News with zoom at 150%.