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EU – Brazil: working together towards a gold standard in privacy protection

58 points by Aoyagi 12y ago

garou 12y ago
Well... this really is something good. The 'Marco Civil' came in response to law projects ('AI-5-digital' or 'Lei Azeredo') that harm the privacy of Brazilian citizen. But there are negative features in 'Marco Civil' take too long to be fixed. This all because was approved with haste.
TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
>On data privacy, like in football, we are playing in the same direction; to score a goal and win the Championship for a gold standard in privacy protection! A combined EU-Brazil team can be a winner. Did that sound any better in French or German?!
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- jusben1369 12y ago
  I read it in Spanish but got stuck at "Goooooooaaaaa
cryoshon 12y ago
This kind of initiative is really great. It's refreshing to see the governments of major powers unite in order to enshrine protections for their citizens. It really paints a stark contrast with the USA-Russia-China totalitarianesque power bloc, though. Our government in the US is currently weaseling out of net neutrality while strongly pushing for omni-surveillance in addition to the usual drumbeat of anti-liberty measures in the name of security. Here, the message is that you have no privacy from the state, and if you want privacy from the corporate branch of the state, you're probably a criminal. I really wish we could point to this and shame our politicians into following suit.
- happyscrappy 12y ago
  I guess you haven't heard: "The Five Eyes are cooperating with various 3rd Party countries in at least two groups: The "Nine Eyes", consisting of the Five Eyes plus Denmark, France, the Netherlands and Norway. The "Fourteen Eyes", consisting of the same countries as the Nine Eyes plus Germany, Belgium, Italy, Spain and Sweden.[41] The actual name of this group is SIGINT Seniors Europe (SSEUR) and its purpose is coordinating the exchange of military signals intelligence among its members.[42] Germany is reportedly interested in moving closer to the inner circle: an internal GCHQ document from 2009 said that the “Germans were a little grumpy at not being invited to join the 9-Eyes group." Germany may even wish to join Five Eyes.[43] Referring to Five Eyes, French President François Hollande has said that his country is "not within that framework and we don't intend to join."[44] According to a former top U.S. official, "Germany joining would be a possibility, but not France – France itself spies on the US far too aggressively for that." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement#9_Eyes.2C_14_Eyes.2C_and_other_.22third_parties.22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement#9_Eyes.2C_14_Ey...
- dfc 12y ago
  Brazil is not a major power.
  - gtirloni 12y ago
    In which area exactly? Since 2005 it's been featured in the top 10 biggest economies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomin... http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/world_economies_gdp/ http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/world_economies_gdp/ Do you mean it's not a major power in privacy-related matters? It might not be and all the actions from the current president could just be PR stunts but at least the talks are happening in a certain direction (opposite to the US vision).
    - dfc 12y ago
      > In which area exactly? This question really gets to the heart of what it means to be a major power. If you have to narrow the examination to focus on somethings and exclude others you are not dealing with a major power. Major powers are major players in military, economic, diplomatic, and cultural spheres (it is important to note that these are big spheres too, like global sized spheres). I have never heard anyone say that Brazil is anything other than a regional power. If you are interested in learning more about power in international relations here are some wikipedia entries that might be a good start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28international_relations%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28international_relatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_power Addendum: It seems that you are from Brazil. Please do not take this personally or interpret it as a dismissal of Brazil.
throwaway6637 12y ago
So... aside from the hot air, the only concrete thing I got from that press release was that the EU politicians are so pissed that the EU court struck down their draconian data retention laws that they're going to pass a new one that resolves the technicalities on which the old one was struck down. And apparently, this is somehow going to bring the EU to "a gold standard in privacy protection". What?
- higherpurpose 12y ago
  > the only concrete thing I got from that press release was that the EU politicians are so pissed that the EU court struck down their draconian data retention laws that they're going to pass a new one that resolves the technicalities on which the old one was struck down. Where did you read that? Are you confusing the "data protection" with "data retention" terms? They sound similar but are opposite laws/movements.
  - throwaway6637 12y ago
    In the article. "These are safeguards that were missing in the EU's Data Retention Directive. As a result, the Directive has been invalidated by the Court of Justice of the EU, Europe's highest court. The court said: the violation of individuals' rights was of "vast scope and particular gravity". One thing is certain: it will be have to be revised, with greater protection included for individuals." So, we really need to protect privacy better, but we're still going to preemptively wiretap everyone in case some of them turn out to be criminals.
madaxe_again 12y ago
This is realpolitik jazz-hands with football thrown in to make light of a topic of grave importance. Also, of course, any framework set up today to control data tomorrow will tomorrow be turned on its head and used as a legislative basis for expanded intrusive activities.
- gtirloni 12y ago
  The funny thing is that soccer is usually used here to distract people from the real issues (corruption, privacy, healthcare, public transportation, education, etc). I wonder if this "Vice-President of the European Commission" has any idea that her message will be read as "blah blah blah world cup blah blah go team! blah blah blah". I really hope Brazil loses this tournament, that the abuses in building the stadiums are scrutinized further and a lot of government officials and companies are punished for this ridiculous private event paid with people's tax money. Yes, I'm a dreamer.
higherpurpose 12y ago
I wouldn't mind seeing stronger trade relationship between EU and Brazil/South America, too. Hopefully this is the beginning of a great relationship, both united against abuses of countries like US, Russia or China.
zimbatm 12y ago
Has anything been done to locate and disable existing tapping devices installed by the NSA ? What has been put in place to harden existing infrastructures from intrusion by rogue actors ?

58 points by Aoyagi 12y ago

garou 12y ago

Well... this really is something good. The 'Marco Civil' came in response to law projects ('AI-5-digital' or 'Lei Azeredo') that harm the privacy of Brazilian citizen. But there are negative features in 'Marco Civil' take too long to be fixed. This all because was approved with haste.

TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago

>On data privacy, like in football, we are playing in the same direction; to score a goal and win the Championship for a gold standard in privacy protection! A combined EU-Brazil team can be a winner. Did that sound any better in French or German?!

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jusben1369 12y ago
I read it in Spanish but got stuck at "Goooooooaaaaa

cryoshon 12y ago

This kind of initiative is really great. It's refreshing to see the governments of major powers unite in order to enshrine protections for their citizens. It really paints a stark contrast with the USA-Russia-China totalitarianesque power bloc, though. Our government in the US is currently weaseling out of net neutrality while strongly pushing for omni-surveillance in addition to the usual drumbeat of anti-liberty measures in the name of security. Here, the message is that you have no privacy from the state, and if you want privacy from the corporate branch of the state, you're probably a criminal. I really wish we could point to this and shame our politicians into following suit.

happyscrappy 12y ago
I guess you haven't heard: "The Five Eyes are cooperating with various 3rd Party countries in at least two groups: The "Nine Eyes", consisting of the Five Eyes plus Denmark, France, the Netherlands and Norway. The "Fourteen Eyes", consisting of the same countries as the Nine Eyes plus Germany, Belgium, Italy, Spain and Sweden.[41] The actual name of this group is SIGINT Seniors Europe (SSEUR) and its purpose is coordinating the exchange of military signals intelligence among its members.[42] Germany is reportedly interested in moving closer to the inner circle: an internal GCHQ document from 2009 said that the “Germans were a little grumpy at not being invited to join the 9-Eyes group." Germany may even wish to join Five Eyes.[43] Referring to Five Eyes, French President François Hollande has said that his country is "not within that framework and we don't intend to join."[44] According to a former top U.S. official, "Germany joining would be a possibility, but not France – France itself spies on the US far too aggressively for that." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement#9_Eyes.2C_14_Eyes.2C_and_other_.22third_parties.22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement#9_Eyes.2C_14_Ey...
dfc 12y ago
Brazil is not a major power.
- gtirloni 12y ago
  In which area exactly? Since 2005 it's been featured in the top 10 biggest economies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomin... http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/world_economies_gdp/ http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/world_economies_gdp/ Do you mean it's not a major power in privacy-related matters? It might not be and all the actions from the current president could just be PR stunts but at least the talks are happening in a certain direction (opposite to the US vision).
  - dfc 12y ago
    > In which area exactly? This question really gets to the heart of what it means to be a major power. If you have to narrow the examination to focus on somethings and exclude others you are not dealing with a major power. Major powers are major players in military, economic, diplomatic, and cultural spheres (it is important to note that these are big spheres too, like global sized spheres). I have never heard anyone say that Brazil is anything other than a regional power. If you are interested in learning more about power in international relations here are some wikipedia entries that might be a good start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28international_relations%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28international_relatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_power Addendum: It seems that you are from Brazil. Please do not take this personally or interpret it as a dismissal of Brazil.

throwaway6637 12y ago

So... aside from the hot air, the only concrete thing I got from that press release was that the EU politicians are so pissed that the EU court struck down their draconian data retention laws that they're going to pass a new one that resolves the technicalities on which the old one was struck down. And apparently, this is somehow going to bring the EU to "a gold standard in privacy protection". What?

higherpurpose 12y ago
> the only concrete thing I got from that press release was that the EU politicians are so pissed that the EU court struck down their draconian data retention laws that they're going to pass a new one that resolves the technicalities on which the old one was struck down. Where did you read that? Are you confusing the "data protection" with "data retention" terms? They sound similar but are opposite laws/movements.
- throwaway6637 12y ago
  In the article. "These are safeguards that were missing in the EU's Data Retention Directive. As a result, the Directive has been invalidated by the Court of Justice of the EU, Europe's highest court. The court said: the violation of individuals' rights was of "vast scope and particular gravity". One thing is certain: it will be have to be revised, with greater protection included for individuals." So, we really need to protect privacy better, but we're still going to preemptively wiretap everyone in case some of them turn out to be criminals.

madaxe_again 12y ago

This is realpolitik jazz-hands with football thrown in to make light of a topic of grave importance. Also, of course, any framework set up today to control data tomorrow will tomorrow be turned on its head and used as a legislative basis for expanded intrusive activities.

gtirloni 12y ago
The funny thing is that soccer is usually used here to distract people from the real issues (corruption, privacy, healthcare, public transportation, education, etc). I wonder if this "Vice-President of the European Commission" has any idea that her message will be read as "blah blah blah world cup blah blah go team! blah blah blah". I really hope Brazil loses this tournament, that the abuses in building the stadiums are scrutinized further and a lot of government officials and companies are punished for this ridiculous private event paid with people's tax money. Yes, I'm a dreamer.

higherpurpose 12y ago

I wouldn't mind seeing stronger trade relationship between EU and Brazil/South America, too. Hopefully this is the beginning of a great relationship, both united against abuses of countries like US, Russia or China.

zimbatm 12y ago

Has anything been done to locate and disable existing tapping devices installed by the NSA ? What has been put in place to harden existing infrastructures from intrusion by rogue actors ?