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WWDC is marketing, nothing else. We all know that on 'marketing mode' many companies like to tell their story. The same happens in I/O, and tonnes of other deve

by antr 12y ago

WWDC is marketing, nothing else. We all know that on 'marketing mode' many companies like to tell their story. The same happens in I/O, and tonnes of other developers conferences. I wouldn't look into it any further, if not we can expect dozens of 'Fact-Checking' posts on HN.

cliffbean 12y ago
> [It's fine. And besides, everyone else is doing it.] Fact-checking posts that cite their sources and speak calmly about relevant topics are useful.
- SalimoS 12y ago
  especially when using a single source "Ausdroid" /sarcasm
  - cliffbean 12y ago
    I don't understand this kind of sarcasm except as a way to insinuate an opinion without having to defend it. The article cites numerous sources.
    - SalimoS 12y ago
      another way to say that this "Ausdroid" isn't going to be Objective and yeah sorry the articles cites numerous XXX-droid sources
      - cliffbean 12y ago
        This article does have aspects that could be reasonably criticized. But we can have some fun trading rhetorical devices too. I see your Dismissive Tone and raise you a Gentle Mock. The article sites numerous non-XXX-droid sources too. Shall we dance?
- ehurrell 12y ago
  I totally agree with this, I like seeing these posts and being aware of the ways in which Apple is twisting the truth to serve their marketing; it's interesting to see the process behind the presentation, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount of examination around Apple keynotes, and never say Google ones, and I'd love to see the spin others put on their presentations.
  - kjmci 12y ago
    As the author of this piece, I'd be happy to look at doing something similar for Google I/O if the structure of the presentation lends itself to such an article. Appreciate the kind words and nudge in the direction of doing more.
    - ehurrell 12y ago
      I'd love to see, as I say there seems to be a lot of work to show exactly how Apple is twisting things compared to others, I'd love to see if that was because Apple is a lot worse for that or if people just don't examine their competitors. I remember sitting in I/O quite interested, but feeling a few bits were not more than marketing.
mitchty 12y ago
Indeed, I don't get why people focus on Apple in this regard so much. I've seen some rather egregious examples from every company. Its an internal developer thing meant to get developers developing on the platform. Almost everyone in that room knows the hyperbole. Just like people at Microsoft Build know the same. And as you noted Google IO as well.

by antr 12y ago

cliffbean 12y ago

> [It's fine. And besides, everyone else is doing it.] Fact-checking posts that cite their sources and speak calmly about relevant topics are useful.

SalimoS 12y ago
especially when using a single source "Ausdroid" /sarcasm
- cliffbean 12y ago
  I don't understand this kind of sarcasm except as a way to insinuate an opinion without having to defend it. The article cites numerous sources.
  - SalimoS 12y ago
    another way to say that this "Ausdroid" isn't going to be Objective and yeah sorry the articles cites numerous XXX-droid sources
    - cliffbean 12y ago
      This article does have aspects that could be reasonably criticized. But we can have some fun trading rhetorical devices too. I see your Dismissive Tone and raise you a Gentle Mock. The article sites numerous non-XXX-droid sources too. Shall we dance?
ehurrell 12y ago
I totally agree with this, I like seeing these posts and being aware of the ways in which Apple is twisting the truth to serve their marketing; it's interesting to see the process behind the presentation, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount of examination around Apple keynotes, and never say Google ones, and I'd love to see the spin others put on their presentations.
- kjmci 12y ago
  As the author of this piece, I'd be happy to look at doing something similar for Google I/O if the structure of the presentation lends itself to such an article. Appreciate the kind words and nudge in the direction of doing more.
  - ehurrell 12y ago
    I'd love to see, as I say there seems to be a lot of work to show exactly how Apple is twisting things compared to others, I'd love to see if that was because Apple is a lot worse for that or if people just don't examine their competitors. I remember sitting in I/O quite interested, but feeling a few bits were not more than marketing.

mitchty 12y ago

Indeed, I don't get why people focus on Apple in this regard so much. I've seen some rather egregious examples from every company. Its an internal developer thing meant to get developers developing on the platform. Almost everyone in that room knows the hyperbole. Just like people at Microsoft Build know the same. And as you noted Google IO as well.