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So what do you think about the NSA's capabilities to easily rootkit your "free" exploitable device? I don't think this is a consistent worldview.

by DCKing 12y ago

coldtea 12y ago
Freedom is not about consistency in everything.
- DCKing 12y ago
  I've never said that freedom is about consistency. Opinions should be consistent if they are to be taken seriously. This guy wants to intentionally leave software exploitable, ready to be unknowingly hacked by criminals or governments, and call it freedom. And he gets upvoted for it!
  - userbinator 12y ago
    What's not consistent? Also, it seems that "criminals" are the new "terrorists".
9mit3t2m9h9a 12y ago
To play a devil's advocate, I want to answer this directly as answered. Available information indicates that NSA used various coercion tactics to ensure cooperation from various companies and that it has the methods to ensure hardware modifications in its own interests. So the damage to NSA from improving security too much is less than damage to my ability to use the computing device I have paid for as an actual computing device. Of course we should also consider smaller threats. But the better the platform is locked down, the less limitations there ae for advertiser-friendly platform design, which makes people expect a lot of permissions requested by applications, so phishing and trojans become easier. The problem here is about the effects of scale: it is hard to produce just a few thousands phones with good specs.
userbinator 12y ago
That freedom also means I have the freedom to modify my device after exploiting it in order to remove those exploits. On the other hand, a device that is completely unexploitable due to being written in a strongly safe language, would mean I no longer have that freedom - and while it may be unexploitable to everyone else, I'm pretty sure the NSA has its ways to get in anyway; if it does, then there's no escape.
- bronson 12y ago
  So, you like languages that are prone to obscure bugs because they allow you to remain competitive with the NSA?

So what do you think about the NSA's capabilities to easily rootkit your "free" exploitable device? I don't think this is a consistent worldview.

by DCKing 12y ago

So what do you think about the NSA's capabilities to easily rootkit your "free" exploitable device? I don't think this is a consistent worldview.

coldtea 12y ago

Freedom is not about consistency in everything.

DCKing 12y ago
I've never said that freedom is about consistency. Opinions should be consistent if they are to be taken seriously. This guy wants to intentionally leave software exploitable, ready to be unknowingly hacked by criminals or governments, and call it freedom. And he gets upvoted for it!
- userbinator 12y ago
  What's not consistent? Also, it seems that "criminals" are the new "terrorists".

9mit3t2m9h9a 12y ago

To play a devil's advocate, I want to answer this directly as answered. Available information indicates that NSA used various coercion tactics to ensure cooperation from various companies and that it has the methods to ensure hardware modifications in its own interests. So the damage to NSA from improving security too much is less than damage to my ability to use the computing device I have paid for as an actual computing device. Of course we should also consider smaller threats. But the better the platform is locked down, the less limitations there ae for advertiser-friendly platform design, which makes people expect a lot of permissions requested by applications, so phishing and trojans become easier. The problem here is about the effects of scale: it is hard to produce just a few thousands phones with good specs.

userbinator 12y ago

That freedom also means I have the freedom to modify my device after exploiting it in order to remove those exploits. On the other hand, a device that is completely unexploitable due to being written in a strongly safe language, would mean I no longer have that freedom - and while it may be unexploitable to everyone else, I'm pretty sure the NSA has its ways to get in anyway; if it does, then there's no escape.

bronson 12y ago
So, you like languages that are prone to obscure bugs because they allow you to remain competitive with the NSA?