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Can you expand upon that? I am always looking to reduce my taxes. I got killed with my 1099s this year.

adwf 12y ago
I can't speak for American tax law, but in the UK there are some common methods of small business owners reducing taxes on income: Small payroll income so that you fall within a low income tax bracket. Top up salary with dividends as they have a much lower rate of tax. If you have a live at home wife, make sure she's employed by the company in some form, eg. you can pay her the minimum wage for secretarial duties. Ideally falling within the tax-free lower bracket. Unlike regular employment, you can start claiming a lot of everyday things such as food/transport/home office electricity/internet/etc. as business expenses, thus meaning you can claim 20% VAT (sales taxes) back depending. Ultimately, there's also the final payout if you manage to sell the company. If it were classed as regular bonus income, you'd be taxed at 45%. Instead you get charged as capital gains at 18-28%. You can also get entrepeneur relief on the first £10m which means you only get charged 10% instead of 28%. NOTE: Some of these are loopholes like dividends and employing family. They tend to get cracked down on every now and again (I'm not even sure if they're valid now) But when you get down to it, there are a heck of a lot of potential savings over standard income tax (currently 40% on anything over £32k, 45% over £150k)
- jhome 12y ago
  I would appreciate if someone could correct me on this as this is mostly from memory. I believe the using dividends for tax avoidance is either no longer effective or has been cracked down upon. You can also give less to the government on your VAT if your profit (or revenues, I can't remember which!) is below 150,000 GBP. Rates vary between 9% and 15%.
  - adwf 12y ago
    Yep, they crack down on stuff all the time. Still slightly worth it as far as I know. You pay standard 20% income tax on the first £32k (with first ~£10k tax-free), then 40% upto £150k, 45% over that. Whereas with dividends you pay 10% on the first £32k income (minus allowances), 32.5% on everything upto £150k, 37.5% over that. So it's still worth it, but not quite as much as it used to be before IR35.
    - majc2 12y ago
      Anyway, anyone going down this line really needs to speak to an accountant, yada yada yada. For consultants/freelancers/contractors - dividends can be fine, if you can mitigate your exposure to IR35 (typically a bigger issue for contractors). Groups such as the PCG can really help here, but really the key thing is ensuring that any contract can't be thought of as disguised employment (control, substitutability and mutuality of obligation being the keywords) - speak to a Lawyer or a specialist accountant for advice or other clued up contractors for advice. The tax position on dividends is also a bit more subtle than above; if your total personal income is less than the £32k (minus allowances), then you're going to get the dividend tax credit back so the div is tax free. Granted the company is paying corp tax at 20% on all profits; but also it gives you options to defer company income becoming personal income, building up the company's reserves. As I understand it, you can wind up the company and get entrepreneurs relief which is also a worthwhile target for consultancies.
greenyoda 12y ago
If you're legitimately self-employed (see second paragraph), you should be able to deduct all your business expenses - home office, hardware, software, phone, travel, advertising, legal fees, etc. - on your Schedule C. You can also set up a self-employment retirement plan (SEPP IRA) and contribute to it.[1] You'll need good records in case the IRS questions your expenses, and you'll need to keep your work life separate from your private life (e.g., your home office space must be used solely for work; if you use your car for both business and personal trips, you'll need to log your business mileage). I'm assuming your work is legitimate self-employment, i.e., the people who pay you do not control your hours, tell you how or where to do your job, etc. If that's not the case, the law probably considers you an employee rather than an independent contractor[2], and you should be paid as one (W-2) - and you could get in trouble if you try to deduct expenses that are only valid for an independent contractor. (I'm assuming you're self-employed, not incorporated.) [1] http://employment.laws.com/self-employment http://employment.laws.com/self-employment [2] http://blog.intuit.com/employees/1099-contractor-vs-w-2-employee-a-decision-guide http://blog.intuit.com/employees/1099-contractor-vs-w-2-empl...
jakejake 12y ago
(Sorry in advance for this long, rambling response) This applies to the US and forgive me if you have already done some of this. The first step is to get your corporation set up (use an online service or an accountant). It's a bit of paperwork but you can do it for around $400. Once you do that you can open a corporate bank account. At that point you bill your clients as a corporation and provide them with your corporate tax ID instead of your personal SS. The money goes into your business account. Then to pay yourself, the next step is to setup payroll (easiest way is to use an online service like quicken payroll) which will run you about $50/month but will handle all of your withholding and tax filing requirements. It's somewhat of a pain getting this all going but once you do, you are operating as a corporation. Corporations do not pay income tax as such - they do have some filing fee type of taxes, but basically the taxes you pay come out of your payroll. So you do not pay tax on income that your company earns until you withdraw it from the company account via payroll. However, you can spend directly from the corporate account on anything that is reasonably considered a business expense. Computers and equipment, of course, can be purchased. Your company can pay the phone bills, internet connection, travel expenses, business lunches, etc. You can also charge your company rent as well if you are working out of your home. What happens is that you wind up paying yourself a meager salary on which you pay normal tax just like everybody else. So for instance, your company earns $80. You pay yourself a salary of $15k and the remaining $65k money is spent on operating expenses and is a tax write-off. You only pay tax on that $15k. You're likely to even get a small tax refund check instead of a huge bill from the IRS. In some extreme cases you might pay yourself even less, or even come in at a loss and pay no income tax. There is nothing illegal about this as long as your write-offs can be legitimately considered a business expense. This is also great because with payroll setup you are in a position to pay employees and sub-contractors via payroll as well and eventually grow your company with the proper financial system in place. I would highly recommend having an accountant set this up for you and file your taxes though because it is a ton of work and requires understanding the ever-changing tax laws.
- hluska 12y ago
  > Corporations do not pay income tax as such - they do have some filing fee type of taxes, but basically the taxes you pay come out of your payroll. Are you sure that is correct? I am neither an accountant, nor even American, but IRS.gov says: "The profit of a corporation is taxed to the corporation when earned, and then is taxed to the shareholders when distributed as dividends. This creates a double tax. The corporation does not get a tax deduction when it distributes dividends to shareholders. Shareholders cannot deduct any loss of the corporation." (source - http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Corporations http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employ...) For the 2011 tax year, Wikipedia pegs the US federal income tax rate at between 15% and 35% (depending on income level). (source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_Sta...) I think that only applies to C corporations, though I'm curious now about US tax law. Do tax shelters like you propose exist? Do you have any more information??

adwf 12y ago

I can't speak for American tax law, but in the UK there are some common methods of small business owners reducing taxes on income: Small payroll income so that you fall within a low income tax bracket. Top up salary with dividends as they have a much lower rate of tax. If you have a live at home wife, make sure she's employed by the company in some form, eg. you can pay her the minimum wage for secretarial duties. Ideally falling within the tax-free lower bracket. Unlike regular employment, you can start claiming a lot of everyday things such as food/transport/home office electricity/internet/etc. as business expenses, thus meaning you can claim 20% VAT (sales taxes) back depending. Ultimately, there's also the final payout if you manage to sell the company. If it were classed as regular bonus income, you'd be taxed at 45%. Instead you get charged as capital gains at 18-28%. You can also get entrepeneur relief on the first £10m which means you only get charged 10% instead of 28%. NOTE: Some of these are loopholes like dividends and employing family. They tend to get cracked down on every now and again (I'm not even sure if they're valid now) But when you get down to it, there are a heck of a lot of potential savings over standard income tax (currently 40% on anything over £32k, 45% over £150k)

jhome 12y ago
I would appreciate if someone could correct me on this as this is mostly from memory. I believe the using dividends for tax avoidance is either no longer effective or has been cracked down upon. You can also give less to the government on your VAT if your profit (or revenues, I can't remember which!) is below 150,000 GBP. Rates vary between 9% and 15%.
- adwf 12y ago
  Yep, they crack down on stuff all the time. Still slightly worth it as far as I know. You pay standard 20% income tax on the first £32k (with first ~£10k tax-free), then 40% upto £150k, 45% over that. Whereas with dividends you pay 10% on the first £32k income (minus allowances), 32.5% on everything upto £150k, 37.5% over that. So it's still worth it, but not quite as much as it used to be before IR35.
  - majc2 12y ago
    Anyway, anyone going down this line really needs to speak to an accountant, yada yada yada. For consultants/freelancers/contractors - dividends can be fine, if you can mitigate your exposure to IR35 (typically a bigger issue for contractors). Groups such as the PCG can really help here, but really the key thing is ensuring that any contract can't be thought of as disguised employment (control, substitutability and mutuality of obligation being the keywords) - speak to a Lawyer or a specialist accountant for advice or other clued up contractors for advice. The tax position on dividends is also a bit more subtle than above; if your total personal income is less than the £32k (minus allowances), then you're going to get the dividend tax credit back so the div is tax free. Granted the company is paying corp tax at 20% on all profits; but also it gives you options to defer company income becoming personal income, building up the company's reserves. As I understand it, you can wind up the company and get entrepreneurs relief which is also a worthwhile target for consultancies.

greenyoda 12y ago

If you're legitimately self-employed (see second paragraph), you should be able to deduct all your business expenses - home office, hardware, software, phone, travel, advertising, legal fees, etc. - on your Schedule C. You can also set up a self-employment retirement plan (SEPP IRA) and contribute to it.[1] You'll need good records in case the IRS questions your expenses, and you'll need to keep your work life separate from your private life (e.g., your home office space must be used solely for work; if you use your car for both business and personal trips, you'll need to log your business mileage). I'm assuming your work is legitimate self-employment, i.e., the people who pay you do not control your hours, tell you how or where to do your job, etc. If that's not the case, the law probably considers you an employee rather than an independent contractor[2], and you should be paid as one (W-2) - and you could get in trouble if you try to deduct expenses that are only valid for an independent contractor. (I'm assuming you're self-employed, not incorporated.) [1] http://employment.laws.com/self-employment http://employment.laws.com/self-employment [2] http://blog.intuit.com/employees/1099-contractor-vs-w-2-employee-a-decision-guide http://blog.intuit.com/employees/1099-contractor-vs-w-2-empl...

jakejake 12y ago

(Sorry in advance for this long, rambling response) This applies to the US and forgive me if you have already done some of this. The first step is to get your corporation set up (use an online service or an accountant). It's a bit of paperwork but you can do it for around $400. Once you do that you can open a corporate bank account. At that point you bill your clients as a corporation and provide them with your corporate tax ID instead of your personal SS. The money goes into your business account. Then to pay yourself, the next step is to setup payroll (easiest way is to use an online service like quicken payroll) which will run you about $50/month but will handle all of your withholding and tax filing requirements. It's somewhat of a pain getting this all going but once you do, you are operating as a corporation. Corporations do not pay income tax as such - they do have some filing fee type of taxes, but basically the taxes you pay come out of your payroll. So you do not pay tax on income that your company earns until you withdraw it from the company account via payroll. However, you can spend directly from the corporate account on anything that is reasonably considered a business expense. Computers and equipment, of course, can be purchased. Your company can pay the phone bills, internet connection, travel expenses, business lunches, etc. You can also charge your company rent as well if you are working out of your home. What happens is that you wind up paying yourself a meager salary on which you pay normal tax just like everybody else. So for instance, your company earns $80. You pay yourself a salary of $15k and the remaining $65k money is spent on operating expenses and is a tax write-off. You only pay tax on that $15k. You're likely to even get a small tax refund check instead of a huge bill from the IRS. In some extreme cases you might pay yourself even less, or even come in at a loss and pay no income tax. There is nothing illegal about this as long as your write-offs can be legitimately considered a business expense. This is also great because with payroll setup you are in a position to pay employees and sub-contractors via payroll as well and eventually grow your company with the proper financial system in place. I would highly recommend having an accountant set this up for you and file your taxes though because it is a ton of work and requires understanding the ever-changing tax laws.

hluska 12y ago
> Corporations do not pay income tax as such - they do have some filing fee type of taxes, but basically the taxes you pay come out of your payroll. Are you sure that is correct? I am neither an accountant, nor even American, but IRS.gov says: "The profit of a corporation is taxed to the corporation when earned, and then is taxed to the shareholders when distributed as dividends. This creates a double tax. The corporation does not get a tax deduction when it distributes dividends to shareholders. Shareholders cannot deduct any loss of the corporation." (source - http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Corporations http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employ...) For the 2011 tax year, Wikipedia pegs the US federal income tax rate at between 15% and 35% (depending on income level). (source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_Sta...) I think that only applies to C corporations, though I'm curious now about US tax law. Do tax shelters like you propose exist? Do you have any more information??