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Great! Now if they'd commit to not publicly crucify those contributors over overblown scandals, I might consider giving node.js another look.

by Zikes 12y ago

cwyers 12y ago
Can you point out what you're referring to, please?
- Zikes 12y ago
  http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
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mythz 12y ago
Funnily, Bryan's the same person who also showed contempt in crucifying one node's largest OSS contributors in public is now seeking to attract more contributors to the same project? The 2 character pull-request that took down libuv's largest and one of node's largest ever contributors: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 Bryan's public Crucifixion of Ben: http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun Ben Noordhuis's Response: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568172 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568... and HN Story of his Departure: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 No thanks, I can't see myself ever touching or recommending Joyent's services as a result.
- astrodust 12y ago
  Good luck finding a community of any significant size that hasn't had some drama in the past. Ruby, Python, and NodeJS have all had their fair share of issues. Even GitHub had a fracas. Nobody gets a free pass, but mistakes will be made. At what point do you call those problems resolved?
  - mythz 12y ago
    Name me another that's shown this much contempt to a core contributor? Joyent has never apologized to Ben or thanked him for his years of efforts (despite many from the node community and other contributors having done so).
    - astrodust 12y ago
      There's been lots of douchebaggery going on in other language communities. That it hasn't exploded into a giant fiasco is something of a small miracle.
  - victorhooi 12y ago
    Actually, from what I've seen, the Node.JS community definitely seems more...immature, I don't deal much with them, but the Perl community definitely seems much more mature. And I deal more with the Python community, and they've always been decent and welcoming to all. The whole Joyent-crucifying-Ben fiasco, and the fallout showed that even though they might be adults, and core contributors, they weren't actually very mature, or even seem like particularly nice people. Maybe that's just how it played out, and behind closed doors, they're super nice people, but it certainly didn't do them any favours posting that inflammatory blog post of theirs.
- chc 12y ago
  Your reaction seems just as overblown as theirs was ("They did something rude once, so I hate them forever!"), and "took down" is quite an exaggeration since he's still contributing to libuv. Like, yes, they were rude to Ben. And Ben was rude to the person submitting that pull request and to Isaac. Bryan was more rude, but it's over and hating Joyent forever for being rude that one time makes no more sense to me than hating Ben forever. Like, if Isaac had talked about stepping down after Ben wrongly chided him, would you have held an eternal grudge against Ben?
  - mythz 12y ago
    Overblown how does it even compare? I've listed a series of links to the major events in chronological order. It's only a mistake if they recognize it as one, i.e. with a public apology of the same exposure as their original post. They have not done so, or recanted their post, or even recognized Ben's efforts since. Their treatment of contributors is especially relevant given they're now seeking to attract more contributors. Until then I have no reason to like Joyent or consider using any of their services.
    - outside1234 12y ago
      Don't worry, Joyent will be out of business within a couple of years anyway as Google, Amazon, and Microsoft crush them.
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    - chc 12y ago
      How does it compare? Well, the major events were: - Ben rudely rejected a commit - Ben rudely reverted a commit and rudely chided Isaac - Joyent rudely chided Ben - Ben explained that there had been a misunderstanding and expressed that his feelings were hurt Although Joyent's post rubbed me the wrong way, I have trouble seeing why you'd hate them forever for being rude to a contributor when you won't hate Ben forever for being rude and flippant toward multiple contributors. I don't think defining Ben by this incident the way Bryan did is reasonable, but I don't think defining Joyent by this incident is any more reasonable. It's one incident in the past, not a trend in either of their cases. People are imperfect.

Great! Now if they'd commit to not publicly crucify those contributors over overblown scandals, I might consider giving node.js another look.

by Zikes 12y ago

Great! Now if they'd commit to not publicly crucify those contributors over overblown scandals, I might consider giving node.js another look.

cwyers 12y ago

Can you point out what you're referring to, please?

Zikes 12y ago
http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
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mythz 12y ago

Funnily, Bryan's the same person who also showed contempt in crucifying one node's largest OSS contributors in public is now seeking to attract more contributors to the same project? The 2 character pull-request that took down libuv's largest and one of node's largest ever contributors: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 Bryan's public Crucifixion of Ben: http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun Ben Noordhuis's Response: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568172 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568... and HN Story of his Departure: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 No thanks, I can't see myself ever touching or recommending Joyent's services as a result.

astrodust 12y ago
Good luck finding a community of any significant size that hasn't had some drama in the past. Ruby, Python, and NodeJS have all had their fair share of issues. Even GitHub had a fracas. Nobody gets a free pass, but mistakes will be made. At what point do you call those problems resolved?
- mythz 12y ago
  Name me another that's shown this much contempt to a core contributor? Joyent has never apologized to Ben or thanked him for his years of efforts (despite many from the node community and other contributors having done so).
  - astrodust 12y ago
    There's been lots of douchebaggery going on in other language communities. That it hasn't exploded into a giant fiasco is something of a small miracle.
- victorhooi 12y ago
  Actually, from what I've seen, the Node.JS community definitely seems more...immature, I don't deal much with them, but the Perl community definitely seems much more mature. And I deal more with the Python community, and they've always been decent and welcoming to all. The whole Joyent-crucifying-Ben fiasco, and the fallout showed that even though they might be adults, and core contributors, they weren't actually very mature, or even seem like particularly nice people. Maybe that's just how it played out, and behind closed doors, they're super nice people, but it certainly didn't do them any favours posting that inflammatory blog post of theirs.
chc 12y ago
Your reaction seems just as overblown as theirs was ("They did something rude once, so I hate them forever!"), and "took down" is quite an exaggeration since he's still contributing to libuv. Like, yes, they were rude to Ben. And Ben was rude to the person submitting that pull request and to Isaac. Bryan was more rude, but it's over and hating Joyent forever for being rude that one time makes no more sense to me than hating Ben forever. Like, if Isaac had talked about stepping down after Ben wrongly chided him, would you have held an eternal grudge against Ben?
- mythz 12y ago
  Overblown how does it even compare? I've listed a series of links to the major events in chronological order. It's only a mistake if they recognize it as one, i.e. with a public apology of the same exposure as their original post. They have not done so, or recanted their post, or even recognized Ben's efforts since. Their treatment of contributors is especially relevant given they're now seeking to attract more contributors. Until then I have no reason to like Joyent or consider using any of their services.
  - outside1234 12y ago
    Don't worry, Joyent will be out of business within a couple of years anyway as Google, Amazon, and Microsoft crush them.
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  - chc 12y ago
    How does it compare? Well, the major events were: - Ben rudely rejected a commit - Ben rudely reverted a commit and rudely chided Isaac - Joyent rudely chided Ben - Ben explained that there had been a misunderstanding and expressed that his feelings were hurt Although Joyent's post rubbed me the wrong way, I have trouble seeing why you'd hate them forever for being rude to a contributor when you won't hate Ben forever for being rude and flippant toward multiple contributors. I don't think defining Ben by this incident the way Bryan did is reasonable, but I don't think defining Joyent by this incident is any more reasonable. It's one incident in the past, not a trend in either of their cases. People are imperfect.