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Broadening Node.js Contributions

60 points by timf 12y ago

js2 12y ago
When the startup I previously worked for was acquired, a Google CLA I had signed while at the startup was the source of much contention between the startup's and acquirer's lawyers, and caused much last minute stress for the startup's CEO. AIUI, acquirer's lawyers contended the CLA might grant Google leverage over the acquirer's patents.
Zikes 12y ago
Great! Now if they'd commit to not publicly crucify those contributors over overblown scandals, I might consider giving node.js another look.
- cwyers 12y ago
  Can you point out what you're referring to, please?
  - Zikes 12y ago
    http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
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- mythz 12y ago
  Funnily, Bryan's the same person who also showed contempt in crucifying one node's largest OSS contributors in public is now seeking to attract more contributors to the same project? The 2 character pull-request that took down libuv's largest and one of node's largest ever contributors: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 Bryan's public Crucifixion of Ben: http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun Ben Noordhuis's Response: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568172 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568... and HN Story of his Departure: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 No thanks, I can't see myself ever touching or recommending Joyent's services as a result.
  - astrodust 12y ago
    Good luck finding a community of any significant size that hasn't had some drama in the past. Ruby, Python, and NodeJS have all had their fair share of issues. Even GitHub had a fracas. Nobody gets a free pass, but mistakes will be made. At what point do you call those problems resolved?
    - mythz 12y ago
      Name me another that's shown this much contempt to a core contributor? Joyent has never apologized to Ben or thanked him for his years of efforts (despite many from the node community and other contributors having done so).
      - astrodust 12y ago
        There's been lots of douchebaggery going on in other language communities. That it hasn't exploded into a giant fiasco is something of a small miracle.
    - victorhooi 12y ago
      Actually, from what I've seen, the Node.JS community definitely seems more...immature, I don't deal much with them, but the Perl community definitely seems much more mature. And I deal more with the Python community, and they've always been decent and welcoming to all. The whole Joyent-crucifying-Ben fiasco, and the fallout showed that even though they might be adults, and core contributors, they weren't actually very mature, or even seem like particularly nice people. Maybe that's just how it played out, and behind closed doors, they're super nice people, but it certainly didn't do them any favours posting that inflammatory blog post of theirs.
  - chc 12y ago
    Your reaction seems just as overblown as theirs was ("They did something rude once, so I hate them forever!"), and "took down" is quite an exaggeration since he's still contributing to libuv. Like, yes, they were rude to Ben. And Ben was rude to the person submitting that pull request and to Isaac. Bryan was more rude, but it's over and hating Joyent forever for being rude that one time makes no more sense to me than hating Ben forever. Like, if Isaac had talked about stepping down after Ben wrongly chided him, would you have held an eternal grudge against Ben?
seanewest 12y ago
Bryan Cantril (the writer of the article) is an interesting and ebullient dude. If you haven't seen him talk take a look: here's his talk on corporate anti-patterns (as referenced in the article) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhgXQFk9noI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhgXQFk9noI
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60 points by timf 12y ago

js2 12y ago

When the startup I previously worked for was acquired, a Google CLA I had signed while at the startup was the source of much contention between the startup's and acquirer's lawyers, and caused much last minute stress for the startup's CEO. AIUI, acquirer's lawyers contended the CLA might grant Google leverage over the acquirer's patents.

Zikes 12y ago

Great! Now if they'd commit to not publicly crucify those contributors over overblown scandals, I might consider giving node.js another look.

cwyers 12y ago
Can you point out what you're referring to, please?
- Zikes 12y ago
  http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
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mythz 12y ago
Funnily, Bryan's the same person who also showed contempt in crucifying one node's largest OSS contributors in public is now seeking to attract more contributors to the same project? The 2 character pull-request that took down libuv's largest and one of node's largest ever contributors: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 Bryan's public Crucifixion of Ben: http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun Ben Noordhuis's Response: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568172 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29568... and HN Story of his Departure: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 No thanks, I can't see myself ever touching or recommending Joyent's services as a result.
- astrodust 12y ago
  Good luck finding a community of any significant size that hasn't had some drama in the past. Ruby, Python, and NodeJS have all had their fair share of issues. Even GitHub had a fracas. Nobody gets a free pass, but mistakes will be made. At what point do you call those problems resolved?
  - mythz 12y ago
    Name me another that's shown this much contempt to a core contributor? Joyent has never apologized to Ben or thanked him for his years of efforts (despite many from the node community and other contributors having done so).
    - astrodust 12y ago
      There's been lots of douchebaggery going on in other language communities. That it hasn't exploded into a giant fiasco is something of a small miracle.
  - victorhooi 12y ago
    Actually, from what I've seen, the Node.JS community definitely seems more...immature, I don't deal much with them, but the Perl community definitely seems much more mature. And I deal more with the Python community, and they've always been decent and welcoming to all. The whole Joyent-crucifying-Ben fiasco, and the fallout showed that even though they might be adults, and core contributors, they weren't actually very mature, or even seem like particularly nice people. Maybe that's just how it played out, and behind closed doors, they're super nice people, but it certainly didn't do them any favours posting that inflammatory blog post of theirs.
- chc 12y ago
  Your reaction seems just as overblown as theirs was ("They did something rude once, so I hate them forever!"), and "took down" is quite an exaggeration since he's still contributing to libuv. Like, yes, they were rude to Ben. And Ben was rude to the person submitting that pull request and to Isaac. Bryan was more rude, but it's over and hating Joyent forever for being rude that one time makes no more sense to me than hating Ben forever. Like, if Isaac had talked about stepping down after Ben wrongly chided him, would you have held an eternal grudge against Ben?

seanewest 12y ago

Bryan Cantril (the writer of the article) is an interesting and ebullient dude. If you haven't seen him talk take a look: here's his talk on corporate anti-patterns (as referenced in the article) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhgXQFk9noI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhgXQFk9noI

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