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You're right in that it was painful and frustrating and I'd be lying if I said there wasn't any emotion involved during the process. I think some of your critic

You're right in that it was painful and frustrating and I'd be lying if I said there wasn't any emotion involved during the process. I think some of your criticisms are fair and provide an interesting counter-argument. (Likely closer to her perspective) One clarification though - we weren't looking to push her out. She informed us (me, actually) that she was looking to quit and wanted to walk away. I'd asked her to stay on for a while and she did. In the end, she was planning again to quit and, instead, I offered the paid leave of absence. We definitely could (should?) have taken steps to avoid the lawsuit early on and we probably didn't treat the case as seriously as it ended up being, but that's much easier seen in hindsight, I think. I wonder if a clean break (with severance) would have avoided this issue altogether - I'm not exactly sure that would have worked either.

hluska 12y ago
As I read your article, it sounded like Joe showed up to run a company that she had previously run. If that is correct, it was (as the OP said) a demotion. She didn't decide that she wanted to quit until after this demotion. When she said that she wanted to quit, she complained about Joe's management style. Do you realize that saving face is incredibly important in Philippine culture? Or, more generally, how much do either of you really know about Philippine culture? Just because they have a strong American influence, it does not mean Philippine people are American. Sorry you went through this, but based on what you wrote, this sounds like a case where you didn't know enough about the culture before you set up shop.
- justincooke 12y ago
  You've turned some assumptions you have about my knowledge/understanding of Filipino culture into questions here. While there are some cultural similarities (deceivingly similar, I'd add), I was under no illusions they were the same. I'd say my understanding was better than most Americans in my position coming out here, but it's grown significantly in the last 4+ years, for sure. I do think this played a role, but I don't think it was a primary issue. As best as I tried to explain what happened factually in the 3K+ word article, I definitely wasn't able to include everything. As an expat entrepreneur, holding back on getting your business rolling while you take time to learn more about the culture sounds nice, but isn't realistic. How many months (years?) would you have spent learning the culture before starting your business here?
  - hluska 12y ago
    If you're going to set up shop in a foreign country and hire locals, you have two options: a) Learn about the local culture and try your damnedest to conform to their culture. This includes things like talking to other Americans who have started businesses there, reading as much as possible about the culture, finding a trusted local to serve as a de facto guide, and admitting that you don't know what you don't know. b) Do things the exact way you would do them at home. In your situation, you had a trusted local guide who was doing a fine job of running things. Then, you demoted her. When she complained about Joe's management style, you didn't take that as a hint, instead you carried on as you had before. In this case, option B cost significantly more time and money than option A would have. International business is intensely hard and I'm not criticizing you. If you'd like to hear about my own sizable screwup, you can email me!
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rayiner 12y ago
I didn't mean to come across as faulting you as much as I probably did. Personnel issues are difficult, and it's valuable to look at stories like yours with the benefit of hindsight. An expensive lesson for you is a free one for your readers! On that note, your comment that "[you] weren't looking to push her out" is worth unpacking. If you've ever broken up with a boy/girlfriend, you know that afterward, each person has his or her own narrative of what "really happened," which each person believes with total sincerity. It's a valuable to to step out of your own head, and try to understand enough about the other person's situation to be able to articulate their narrative. Third parties, whether juries or your own employees, will judge you based on the strength of those competing narratives.

hluska 12y ago

As I read your article, it sounded like Joe showed up to run a company that she had previously run. If that is correct, it was (as the OP said) a demotion. She didn't decide that she wanted to quit until after this demotion. When she said that she wanted to quit, she complained about Joe's management style. Do you realize that saving face is incredibly important in Philippine culture? Or, more generally, how much do either of you really know about Philippine culture? Just because they have a strong American influence, it does not mean Philippine people are American. Sorry you went through this, but based on what you wrote, this sounds like a case where you didn't know enough about the culture before you set up shop.

justincooke 12y ago
You've turned some assumptions you have about my knowledge/understanding of Filipino culture into questions here. While there are some cultural similarities (deceivingly similar, I'd add), I was under no illusions they were the same. I'd say my understanding was better than most Americans in my position coming out here, but it's grown significantly in the last 4+ years, for sure. I do think this played a role, but I don't think it was a primary issue. As best as I tried to explain what happened factually in the 3K+ word article, I definitely wasn't able to include everything. As an expat entrepreneur, holding back on getting your business rolling while you take time to learn more about the culture sounds nice, but isn't realistic. How many months (years?) would you have spent learning the culture before starting your business here?
- hluska 12y ago
  If you're going to set up shop in a foreign country and hire locals, you have two options: a) Learn about the local culture and try your damnedest to conform to their culture. This includes things like talking to other Americans who have started businesses there, reading as much as possible about the culture, finding a trusted local to serve as a de facto guide, and admitting that you don't know what you don't know. b) Do things the exact way you would do them at home. In your situation, you had a trusted local guide who was doing a fine job of running things. Then, you demoted her. When she complained about Joe's management style, you didn't take that as a hint, instead you carried on as you had before. In this case, option B cost significantly more time and money than option A would have. International business is intensely hard and I'm not criticizing you. If you'd like to hear about my own sizable screwup, you can email me!
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rayiner 12y ago

I didn't mean to come across as faulting you as much as I probably did. Personnel issues are difficult, and it's valuable to look at stories like yours with the benefit of hindsight. An expensive lesson for you is a free one for your readers! On that note, your comment that "[you] weren't looking to push her out" is worth unpacking. If you've ever broken up with a boy/girlfriend, you know that afterward, each person has his or her own narrative of what "really happened," which each person believes with total sincerity. It's a valuable to to step out of your own head, and try to understand enough about the other person's situation to be able to articulate their narrative. Third parties, whether juries or your own employees, will judge you based on the strength of those competing narratives.