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Also don't forget to check out the rented dedicated server market too. It provides a good middle ground in cost/power/performance to the extremes of cloud provi

Also don't forget to check out the rented dedicated server market too. It provides a good middle ground in cost/power/performance to the extremes of cloud providers and colocation.

threeseed 12y ago
I am surprised how few people know about this. It isn't just a "good middle ground". It is an amazing middle ground that allows you to benefit from AWS services (simply choose providers close to AWS data centres) whilst getting substantial performance/cost benefits. I would imagine at minimum you are getting 10x the performance compared to a typical VPS.
neurotixz 12y ago
Yes, always compare with rented dedicated, and only go with colo if it makes sense. I did this analysis last year and rented won big time. Never looked back since. Main points in favor of rented dedicated servers: - Much cheaper in my business case (5-10 TB/month by server, only a few high CPU requirements) most dedicated come with bandwidth included - No need to take care of the hardware in case of failure (opening a ticket versus managing the whole process) - Easier to switch machine if needs changes - Scales faster (as quickly then 2-3 hours with decent automation tools, and virtualization) - No switch, firewall, etc (IPMI should always be behind a firewall, never opened on the Internet) - The upfront cost to buy a server was high, and monthly cost of dedicated was actually lower, due to the lack of competition in the colo sector in my area (Montreal, Canada), prices were (and still are) rising quickly, it was hard to predict the long-term costs
- turnip1979 12y ago
  Maybe it is a Canada thing. I looked at some colos in the Toronto area a few back and found rental prices were about the same as bringing your own hardware. Didn't make sense. I was just looking for a home for some server hardware I have in my garage. Oh well.
  - neurotixz 12y ago
    Almost all the independant colo centers in Montreal have been bought out by big players with the corporate world in sight, not the small 1-2 servers market. So the prices skyrocketed. The opposite is true for dedicated, since they have to compete with us-based players, and OVH got in the East Coast market big time. Prices are lowering.
jbattle 12y ago
How does the cost work out vs. colo when you consider capitalization?
- larrys 12y ago
  This is a generality but anytime I've looked at that what I see is a bunch of low loss leader prices (that lure you in) that when you add on extra features you get nickel and dimed up to a point where you are overpaying. I've seen cases where there are charges (as only one example) of $10 per month to be able to do a remote reboot which of course can be done on any box with an IPMI at no charge if it's your box and that's the way you bought it. So if you don't know what you are doing my point is you can easily be lured into thinking you are paying a reasonable price but then paying more simply because you aren't doing a true comparison of features and benefits.

Also don't forget to check out the rented dedicated server market too. It provides a good middle ground in cost/power/performance to the extremes of cloud providers and colocation.

threeseed 12y ago

I am surprised how few people know about this. It isn't just a "good middle ground". It is an amazing middle ground that allows you to benefit from AWS services (simply choose providers close to AWS data centres) whilst getting substantial performance/cost benefits. I would imagine at minimum you are getting 10x the performance compared to a typical VPS.

neurotixz 12y ago

Yes, always compare with rented dedicated, and only go with colo if it makes sense. I did this analysis last year and rented won big time. Never looked back since. Main points in favor of rented dedicated servers: - Much cheaper in my business case (5-10 TB/month by server, only a few high CPU requirements) most dedicated come with bandwidth included - No need to take care of the hardware in case of failure (opening a ticket versus managing the whole process) - Easier to switch machine if needs changes - Scales faster (as quickly then 2-3 hours with decent automation tools, and virtualization) - No switch, firewall, etc (IPMI should always be behind a firewall, never opened on the Internet) - The upfront cost to buy a server was high, and monthly cost of dedicated was actually lower, due to the lack of competition in the colo sector in my area (Montreal, Canada), prices were (and still are) rising quickly, it was hard to predict the long-term costs

turnip1979 12y ago
Maybe it is a Canada thing. I looked at some colos in the Toronto area a few back and found rental prices were about the same as bringing your own hardware. Didn't make sense. I was just looking for a home for some server hardware I have in my garage. Oh well.
- neurotixz 12y ago
  Almost all the independant colo centers in Montreal have been bought out by big players with the corporate world in sight, not the small 1-2 servers market. So the prices skyrocketed. The opposite is true for dedicated, since they have to compete with us-based players, and OVH got in the East Coast market big time. Prices are lowering.

jbattle 12y ago

How does the cost work out vs. colo when you consider capitalization?

larrys 12y ago
This is a generality but anytime I've looked at that what I see is a bunch of low loss leader prices (that lure you in) that when you add on extra features you get nickel and dimed up to a point where you are overpaying. I've seen cases where there are charges (as only one example) of $10 per month to be able to do a remote reboot which of course can be done on any box with an IPMI at no charge if it's your box and that's the way you bought it. So if you don't know what you are doing my point is you can easily be lured into thinking you are paying a reasonable price but then paying more simply because you aren't doing a true comparison of features and benefits.