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This screenshot: http://kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0-beta2/plasma50b2-networks.png http://kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0-beta2/plasma50b2-netw... Is this s

This screenshot: http://kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0-beta2/plasma50b2-networks.png http://kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0-beta2/plasma50b2-netw... Is this supposed to illustrate the "beta-ness" of the release? Because it's an atrocious UI. Two different-sized "wrench" icons next to each other? What are those checkboxes for? What does the little blue bar above the wireless symbol supposed to indicate? The blue lock is lost in the wireless icon in the network list (the eye is terrible at distinguishing blue shapes on a noisy background like that). It goes on and on...

eyko 12y ago
I think it's just supposed to illustrate that this is KDE. Speaking as a past KDE user (and with zero experience of KDE in the past 7 years or more) I would say that each wrench is for a different purpose. Maybe one leads to Network Settings and the other lets you configure the widget. At least that's how using KDE used to feel back in the days.
Touche 12y ago
The blue bar above the wireless symbol (guessing) indicates that the menu is open. Agree with your other points though.
Yaggo 12y ago
KDE versions 1-3 were great piece of software. Remember kioslave's support for ssh/sftp? Awesome stuff. The current state of the project makes me sad.
- emilsedgh 12y ago
  fish/sftp/ftp/smb, all the KIO Slaves are still here, working fine on KDE4 and are all ported to KF5 as well.
- mpyne 12y ago
  > Remember kioslave's support for ssh/sftp? Yes, such support is still there. In fact, it's even easier to get to than it was in KDE 3 (where you effectively had to be good at understanding how KDE converted URIs into kioslave requests).
freeasinfree 12y ago
KDE has always been--and always will be, apparently--an aesthetic nightmare.
emilsedgh 12y ago
Yes,this just shows that this is a beta release. These parts of the UI are under constant change and improvement.
Shamanmuni 12y ago
It has some minor issues, sure, but I'm completely missing the atrocious part. In fact, I think it's quite nice, hope to use this UI soon. It would be great if you could send an email to the developers with your observations as, you know, it's a beta and some help is always needed. I wonder why so many design-related critiques sound as if someone comitted a crime against humanity. C'est la vie, I suppose.
- mpyne 12y ago
  > I wonder why so many design-related critiques sound as if someone comitted a crime against humanity. C'est la vie, I suppose. The comments here were even more virulent with the last beta. I didn't even bother to comment then, what can you say to people who expect multi-million dollar polished U/I out of a beta from one of the last large community-developed open source projects, as if KDE has some sort of hidden pool of paid artists and capital development programs? Even Firefox on Linux still looks worse than KDE (IMHO) but people (even on HN) don't stop to base their opinion on Firefox based only on that. As for me, I'm incredibly proud of those who develop the visual design for KDE, especially since they do so with no compensation. KDE has come a very long way since KDE 2 and 3 and that is almost entirely from true volunteer effort; while there is always room for improvement I think KDE looks good. Not even "good for what resources we have", but good per se, and if the screenshot of this beta is any indication KDE's Plasma 5 will look even better.
- jcromartie 12y ago
  It can mean "of a very poor quality; extremely bad or unpleasant." Compared to the alternatives, I think it qualified.
reitanqild 12y ago
He, I would like to say it is the price for living with kde. I find it is generally worth it and suggest other people try it if they don't like their current setup and have some time to spare. I changed to ubuntu fo a few years while they used gnome 2 but now I am back on kde for my workstation and have been for a couple of years. (Distroshopping coming up later this month when the various lts-buntus and derivatives have stabilized.) Yes it beta but if the screenshots immediately raises red flags to you chances are you are a mac us ser and should stay with mac for now. (I have used mac for years and it annoys me to no end, mostly because it is so close to perfect but still broken to no end for many of my use cases. For me linux shortcuts, linux software, fullscreen working w/multi monitor, "correct" keyboard layout and keyboard shortcuts that makes sense to me is far more worth than visual polish. But then again I am weird, ain't I? ;-)
- jcromartie 12y ago
  On a regular day I use Mac OS X (mainly a browser, and iTerm and Emacs in full-screen), Fedora with Gnome, iOS, and Android. I don't think any of them are perfect, but Apple do a much better job with the cognitive aspects of computing than any open source efforts have been able to muster.

eyko 12y ago

I think it's just supposed to illustrate that this is KDE. Speaking as a past KDE user (and with zero experience of KDE in the past 7 years or more) I would say that each wrench is for a different purpose. Maybe one leads to Network Settings and the other lets you configure the widget. At least that's how using KDE used to feel back in the days.

Touche 12y ago

The blue bar above the wireless symbol (guessing) indicates that the menu is open. Agree with your other points though.

Yaggo 12y ago

KDE versions 1-3 were great piece of software. Remember kioslave's support for ssh/sftp? Awesome stuff. The current state of the project makes me sad.

emilsedgh 12y ago
fish/sftp/ftp/smb, all the KIO Slaves are still here, working fine on KDE4 and are all ported to KF5 as well.
mpyne 12y ago
> Remember kioslave's support for ssh/sftp? Yes, such support is still there. In fact, it's even easier to get to than it was in KDE 3 (where you effectively had to be good at understanding how KDE converted URIs into kioslave requests).

freeasinfree 12y ago

KDE has always been--and always will be, apparently--an aesthetic nightmare.

emilsedgh 12y ago

Yes,this just shows that this is a beta release. These parts of the UI are under constant change and improvement.

Shamanmuni 12y ago

It has some minor issues, sure, but I'm completely missing the atrocious part. In fact, I think it's quite nice, hope to use this UI soon. It would be great if you could send an email to the developers with your observations as, you know, it's a beta and some help is always needed. I wonder why so many design-related critiques sound as if someone comitted a crime against humanity. C'est la vie, I suppose.

mpyne 12y ago
> I wonder why so many design-related critiques sound as if someone comitted a crime against humanity. C'est la vie, I suppose. The comments here were even more virulent with the last beta. I didn't even bother to comment then, what can you say to people who expect multi-million dollar polished U/I out of a beta from one of the last large community-developed open source projects, as if KDE has some sort of hidden pool of paid artists and capital development programs? Even Firefox on Linux still looks worse than KDE (IMHO) but people (even on HN) don't stop to base their opinion on Firefox based only on that. As for me, I'm incredibly proud of those who develop the visual design for KDE, especially since they do so with no compensation. KDE has come a very long way since KDE 2 and 3 and that is almost entirely from true volunteer effort; while there is always room for improvement I think KDE looks good. Not even "good for what resources we have", but good per se, and if the screenshot of this beta is any indication KDE's Plasma 5 will look even better.
jcromartie 12y ago
It can mean "of a very poor quality; extremely bad or unpleasant." Compared to the alternatives, I think it qualified.

reitanqild 12y ago

He, I would like to say it is the price for living with kde. I find it is generally worth it and suggest other people try it if they don't like their current setup and have some time to spare. I changed to ubuntu fo a few years while they used gnome 2 but now I am back on kde for my workstation and have been for a couple of years. (Distroshopping coming up later this month when the various lts-buntus and derivatives have stabilized.) Yes it beta but if the screenshots immediately raises red flags to you chances are you are a mac us ser and should stay with mac for now. (I have used mac for years and it annoys me to no end, mostly because it is so close to perfect but still broken to no end for many of my use cases. For me linux shortcuts, linux software, fullscreen working w/multi monitor, "correct" keyboard layout and keyboard shortcuts that makes sense to me is far more worth than visual polish. But then again I am weird, ain't I? ;-)

jcromartie 12y ago
On a regular day I use Mac OS X (mainly a browser, and iTerm and Emacs in full-screen), Fedora with Gnome, iOS, and Android. I don't think any of them are perfect, but Apple do a much better job with the cognitive aspects of computing than any open source efforts have been able to muster.