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You link to a blog and yet you apparently don't read it. KDE System Settings is being redisigned as well. Just scroll down a bit: http://wheeldesign.blogspot.fi

You link to a blog and yet you apparently don't read it. KDE System Settings is being redisigned as well. Just scroll down a bit: http://wheeldesign.blogspot.fi/2014/05/system-settings-and-new-vdg-members.html http://wheeldesign.blogspot.fi/2014/05/system-settings-and-n... The redesign is not in this beta and, depending how long it takes, maybe won't make it into the first final release either. Partially it's even by design. It's not intended that Plasma 5 diverges too much from the current release to ease the transition.

nailer 12y ago
Nice: http://wheeldesign.blogspot.fi/2014/05/system-settings-and-new-vdg-members.html http://wheeldesign.blogspot.fi/2014/05/system-settings-and-n... That said, at the top level the breadcrumbs on the left aren't needed.
- KAMiKAZOW 12y ago
  I bet your voice is better heard over at the VDG forum on kde.org ;-)
  - nailer 12y ago
    That's not me, that's a well known general design principle: "It seems that perfection is attained, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away." I did a lot of Linux desktop stuff 10 years ago. Now I feel most of the action takes place inside the browser. KDE's biggest contribution to computing will always be KHTML.
ama729 12y ago
I have to say, this[1] looks downright impressive. Congrats everyone! Edit: To add a bit more to the conversation, does the change from Canonical to Blue Systems[2] changed much to the development of Kubuntu/KDE? [1] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-asFPvnoidnw/U4cXbGCcv2I/AAAAAAAAM3I/dEIyVSNFf_w/s1600/SystemSettings-New_zpsce8cb0ac.png https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-asFPvnoidnw/U4cXbGCcv2I/AAAAAAAAM... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems
- KAMiKAZOW 12y ago
  Canonical never contributed much to KDE. Yes, a few bits here and there but overall mostly negligible. Blue Systems OTOH is a big KDE contributor. Things like KDE Search improved a lot thanks to Blue's involvement. As for Kubuntu: It appears to me that mostly the same people are involved with it. The only KDE thing mostly specific to Kubuntu is Muon (and that's being ported to Debian as we speak). Everything else by Blue Systems is AFAIK cross-distro. The Kubuntu guys already announced that Canonical's own display server Mir is not an option. Therefore it remains to be seen how feasible Kubuntu remains with Canonical pushing a Wayland competitor.
- baldfat 12y ago
  Only my opinion and probably wrong BUT KUbuntu = Worst KDE integration and the cause for why so many people have a negative view of KDE! OpenSUSE = Best KDE integration
  - pestaa 12y ago
    What makes you say KDE is badly integrated in Kubuntu?
    - KAMiKAZOW 12y ago
      Kubuntu constantly ships pre-release software. One example in the current "stable" LTS is this touchpad config panel: http://imgur.com/JIuCNqg http://imgur.com/JIuCNqg
  - Zardoz84 12y ago
    But OpenSUSE not have apt-get
    - eddyb 12y ago
      Having used both zypper and apt-get, I find the latter very lacking, even when coupled with other tools. Take `zypper se -s`, for example - or if you prefer the long form, `zypper search --detailed`. How do you get that information from any of the apt tools, or even aptitude? And then there's the openSUSE build system. But I digress. I will attempt to replace my openSUSE installation with NixOS and if I miss my automatic KF5 builds, I'll try to create Nix packages for them.
veeti 12y ago
Yes, I read it and I know the settings are being redesigned. The system settings is just one example and perhaps the most egregious. It's also the one that is still a constant annoyance after years of using KDE when trying to find something.
- vacri 12y ago
  Try a different heavy DE and see if you can even find the settings these days. I hadn't used KDE since back when they first released 4 and have just started using it again. I'm loving it - a heavyweight DE where things are properly integrated (sorry XFCE and similar) and that you can actually personally tune the settings for. The settings can be a little difficult to find... but at least they're there to be found :)
  - keithpeter 12y ago
    Xubuntu 14.04, xfwm-whisker-menu bound to Super-Space, Finding settings: Press Super-and-Space type 'set...' Gnome 3.x, just about any version, e.g. RHEL7 RC Finding settings: Press Super, type 'set...' Windows 8 Press Windows key, type 'control' Windows 7 Press Windows key and letter R and type 'control' Seriously, each of us uses what we find best and produces work. Settings tend to be easy to find these days
    - wlesieutre 12y ago
      Windows key and type 'control' applies on Windows 7 as well. When the start menu opens, the search box has focus.
      - keithpeter 12y ago
        Thanks, could not remember (at home, no Win7 machine)
    - vacri 12y ago
      Seriously, it was a rhetorical statement that didn't mean "no-one can literally find the settings", but "you're not allowed to change much these days". Gnome 3.x in particular is horribly bad. KDE allows a lot of tweaking.

nailer 12y ago

Nice: http://wheeldesign.blogspot.fi/2014/05/system-settings-and-new-vdg-members.html http://wheeldesign.blogspot.fi/2014/05/system-settings-and-n... That said, at the top level the breadcrumbs on the left aren't needed.

KAMiKAZOW 12y ago
I bet your voice is better heard over at the VDG forum on kde.org ;-)
- nailer 12y ago
  That's not me, that's a well known general design principle: "It seems that perfection is attained, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away." I did a lot of Linux desktop stuff 10 years ago. Now I feel most of the action takes place inside the browser. KDE's biggest contribution to computing will always be KHTML.

ama729 12y ago

I have to say, this[1] looks downright impressive. Congrats everyone! Edit: To add a bit more to the conversation, does the change from Canonical to Blue Systems[2] changed much to the development of Kubuntu/KDE? [1] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-asFPvnoidnw/U4cXbGCcv2I/AAAAAAAAM3I/dEIyVSNFf_w/s1600/SystemSettings-New_zpsce8cb0ac.png https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-asFPvnoidnw/U4cXbGCcv2I/AAAAAAAAM... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems

KAMiKAZOW 12y ago
Canonical never contributed much to KDE. Yes, a few bits here and there but overall mostly negligible. Blue Systems OTOH is a big KDE contributor. Things like KDE Search improved a lot thanks to Blue's involvement. As for Kubuntu: It appears to me that mostly the same people are involved with it. The only KDE thing mostly specific to Kubuntu is Muon (and that's being ported to Debian as we speak). Everything else by Blue Systems is AFAIK cross-distro. The Kubuntu guys already announced that Canonical's own display server Mir is not an option. Therefore it remains to be seen how feasible Kubuntu remains with Canonical pushing a Wayland competitor.
baldfat 12y ago
Only my opinion and probably wrong BUT KUbuntu = Worst KDE integration and the cause for why so many people have a negative view of KDE! OpenSUSE = Best KDE integration
- pestaa 12y ago
  What makes you say KDE is badly integrated in Kubuntu?
  - KAMiKAZOW 12y ago
    Kubuntu constantly ships pre-release software. One example in the current "stable" LTS is this touchpad config panel: http://imgur.com/JIuCNqg http://imgur.com/JIuCNqg
- Zardoz84 12y ago
  But OpenSUSE not have apt-get
  - eddyb 12y ago
    Having used both zypper and apt-get, I find the latter very lacking, even when coupled with other tools. Take `zypper se -s`, for example - or if you prefer the long form, `zypper search --detailed`. How do you get that information from any of the apt tools, or even aptitude? And then there's the openSUSE build system. But I digress. I will attempt to replace my openSUSE installation with NixOS and if I miss my automatic KF5 builds, I'll try to create Nix packages for them.

veeti 12y ago

Yes, I read it and I know the settings are being redesigned. The system settings is just one example and perhaps the most egregious. It's also the one that is still a constant annoyance after years of using KDE when trying to find something.

vacri 12y ago
Try a different heavy DE and see if you can even find the settings these days. I hadn't used KDE since back when they first released 4 and have just started using it again. I'm loving it - a heavyweight DE where things are properly integrated (sorry XFCE and similar) and that you can actually personally tune the settings for. The settings can be a little difficult to find... but at least they're there to be found :)
- keithpeter 12y ago
  Xubuntu 14.04, xfwm-whisker-menu bound to Super-Space, Finding settings: Press Super-and-Space type 'set...' Gnome 3.x, just about any version, e.g. RHEL7 RC Finding settings: Press Super, type 'set...' Windows 8 Press Windows key, type 'control' Windows 7 Press Windows key and letter R and type 'control' Seriously, each of us uses what we find best and produces work. Settings tend to be easy to find these days
  - wlesieutre 12y ago
    Windows key and type 'control' applies on Windows 7 as well. When the start menu opens, the search box has focus.
    - keithpeter 12y ago
      Thanks, could not remember (at home, no Win7 machine)
  - vacri 12y ago
    Seriously, it was a rhetorical statement that didn't mean "no-one can literally find the settings", but "you're not allowed to change much these days". Gnome 3.x in particular is horribly bad. KDE allows a lot of tweaking.