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The problem with your logic is, what happens when you have one of these people elected to the school board or as an admin? http://www.christianpost.com/news/ka

The problem with your logic is, what happens when you have one of these people elected to the school board or as an admin? http://www.christianpost.com/news/kansas-school-board-candidate-wants-to-ban-evolution-from-schools-77273/ http://www.christianpost.com/news/kansas-school-board-candid... I think you are putting your head in the sand if you think people like that wouldn't try to get people fired for "teaching evolution".

wmf 12y ago
That's a problem, but is tenure the solution?
- opendais 12y ago
  Honestly, it is a pretty bad solution. However, it was sufficiently shielded from politics that bypassing that shield was difficult for decades. Pretty much any alternative is purely governed by populous whims because it is no longer the "norm" but "some unique thing we do". Now, if you can get a constitutional amendment passed that solves the things tenure is truly needed for [such as abuse of position to engage in de factor or outright bans of topics like evolution]...sure. I can see a better solution there. However, I don't see a better solution happening :/
tbrownaw 12y ago
try to get people fired for "teaching evolution" So how do you prevent that while also not making it impossible to fire people who insist on teaching young-earth creationism or abstinence-only sex ed or whatever else wrong/harmful you can think of?
- opendais 12y ago
  It isn't impossible to fire them. It just takes a mountain of evidence. Generally the bullshit stuff doesn't stick long enough for that to happen while legitimate issues do.
alistairSH 12y ago
Tenure shouldn't be the solution. And I'm not sure how the problem you describe is limited to public schools? If my manager doesn't like me (for whatever reason), he can find a way to have me removed from my job. Nitpick every minor problem, make-work assignments, untenable deadlines, etc.

wmf 12y ago

That's a problem, but is tenure the solution?

opendais 12y ago
Honestly, it is a pretty bad solution. However, it was sufficiently shielded from politics that bypassing that shield was difficult for decades. Pretty much any alternative is purely governed by populous whims because it is no longer the "norm" but "some unique thing we do". Now, if you can get a constitutional amendment passed that solves the things tenure is truly needed for [such as abuse of position to engage in de factor or outright bans of topics like evolution]...sure. I can see a better solution there. However, I don't see a better solution happening :/

tbrownaw 12y ago

try to get people fired for "teaching evolution" So how do you prevent that while also not making it impossible to fire people who insist on teaching young-earth creationism or abstinence-only sex ed or whatever else wrong/harmful you can think of?

opendais 12y ago
It isn't impossible to fire them. It just takes a mountain of evidence. Generally the bullshit stuff doesn't stick long enough for that to happen while legitimate issues do.

alistairSH 12y ago

Tenure shouldn't be the solution. And I'm not sure how the problem you describe is limited to public schools? If my manager doesn't like me (for whatever reason), he can find a way to have me removed from my job. Nitpick every minor problem, make-work assignments, untenable deadlines, etc.