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The way you explain this, it seems you share the same concept of "cheating" as Jack White (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AJgY9FtDLbs

by pothibo 12y ago

The way you explain this, it seems you share the same concept of "cheating" as Jack White (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AJgY9FtDLbs#t=1355 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AJ...) I am left wondering if this isn't cheating per se, but a balance between skills and intelligence. What do you think?

zedshaw 12y ago
Well, artists are fond of saying "there's no rules in art", that is until you violate all the ones they've set down as acceptable art. So, if three's no rules, then there's no way to really cheat. Do whatever you want to make whatever art you feel like making, and hell just calling yourself an artist is all it takes to be one these days. However, if you're pretending that you have an innate ability that's actually the result of technology, or if you're teaching people a topic and lying to them about the tools you use, then yes you're cheating. I can understand a painter not admitting she uses computers to help her paint if she's selling the paintings and doesn't want to ruin the mystique. But, I've ran into teachers that pretend to not use tech and then you find out they totally do, and that's just wrong. The French Salon era was full of this kind of con artistry where teachers would run schools full of cast painting and boring exercises and then the teacher would go off and use projection to make their paintings anyway. David Hockney points out a few like this. So I think if you're lying to people about the tools you use, or downplaying the significance of tools, then you're full of crap. Otherwise, rock on and do what you do.
jamesbritt 12y ago
White seems unaware of the extent to which photographers manipulate things in the darkroom. Ironically enough, given O'Brien's app joke, Ansel Adams made extensive use of darkroom techniques to basically "Photoshop" before there was Photoshop. At the end of the day, though, if you have no taste, no artistic vision, then technology isn't going save you or your work.

by pothibo 12y ago

zedshaw 12y ago

Well, artists are fond of saying "there's no rules in art", that is until you violate all the ones they've set down as acceptable art. So, if three's no rules, then there's no way to really cheat. Do whatever you want to make whatever art you feel like making, and hell just calling yourself an artist is all it takes to be one these days. However, if you're pretending that you have an innate ability that's actually the result of technology, or if you're teaching people a topic and lying to them about the tools you use, then yes you're cheating. I can understand a painter not admitting she uses computers to help her paint if she's selling the paintings and doesn't want to ruin the mystique. But, I've ran into teachers that pretend to not use tech and then you find out they totally do, and that's just wrong. The French Salon era was full of this kind of con artistry where teachers would run schools full of cast painting and boring exercises and then the teacher would go off and use projection to make their paintings anyway. David Hockney points out a few like this. So I think if you're lying to people about the tools you use, or downplaying the significance of tools, then you're full of crap. Otherwise, rock on and do what you do.

jamesbritt 12y ago

White seems unaware of the extent to which photographers manipulate things in the darkroom. Ironically enough, given O'Brien's app joke, Ansel Adams made extensive use of darkroom techniques to basically "Photoshop" before there was Photoshop. At the end of the day, though, if you have no taste, no artistic vision, then technology isn't going save you or your work.