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I had been waiting to see this movie forever and finally did right when it came out, and I can tell you it is awesome. It's a fantastic example of science and
by zedshaw 12y ago
I had been waiting to see this movie forever and finally did right when it came out, and I can tell you it is awesome. It's a fantastic example of science and technology being used to solve a problem that just happens to be art. It's also a very compelling theory about the possible ways Vermeer did his more photorealistic paintings. Pretty much after this and spending the last year teaching myself to paint I can safely say if it looks like a photo, it's from a photo.
Another great book to check out is David Hockney's "Secret Knowledge", which covers how this is done in other ways, how projection devices were used by Kepler and others, how it could have been considered a guild secret among painters, and how when the photograph first came out people remarked how much the looked like "finished" paintings. His latest exhibit at the De Young was actually based on the research from this book where he cranked out a metric ton (quite literally) of art using various projection devices.
Another fun thing to do is "spot the laptop". You know how people are doing impressive hyperrealistic paintings like this:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/pictured-eloy-morales-stunning-self-portraits-3166130 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/pictured-eloy-morale...
These are amazing, until you realize he's getting the fidelity he needs by making the paintings huge, then taking pictures of them from farther away. Can't tell a painting's size on the internet, so it looks super realistic until you see it in person. Next, if you look carefully at that first photo, he's looking off in the distance at....a laptop most likely, or a projection. If you look in youtube or at various artist's blogs you start to catch them with a laptop sitting right there, or an ipad stuck to their easel with the image right on it.
If you check out these hyperrealists (they don't say photo 'cause that's a bad word) you can sometimes catch them with a laptop, image on it squared off, sometimes even zoomed in.
What modern "Vermeers" are doing is they're using computers and screen technology to get very exacting details and color harmony using combinations of large size projections (you can see Eloy's pre-drawn lines), gridded images, and zooming on a computer screen. So the awesome thing about Tim's Vermeer is he shows that if someone's using enough technology to make art then they become just a mechanical photo printer. Might as well be a photographer.
Here's another artist you can see copying a photo:
http://www.littleobservationist.com/2013/05/22/artist-interview-francoise-nielly/ http://www.littleobservationist.com/2013/05/22/artist-interv...
Françoise Nielly at least interprets them, but I bet if you looked she probably uses the hell out of computers at first to get studies right.
What's interesting is many artists use technology like this, and many of them get into this "cheating" when they run into disabilities or time constraints. The problem isn't the technology though, it's whether they pretend they don't use any, which is what a lot of these hyperrealists try to get away with. But, take an artist like Richard Schmid and you find he started using a computer after a major back injury and he freely admits he uses photos and computers to do painting.
What I liked about Tim's Vermeer is it's at least proof that someone with zero talent can use technology to create an equivalent to what's considered a masterpiece. David Hockney's book also demonstrates that much of the art we consider painted using pure skill is actually just clever uses of technology to do photo reproductions with oil paint.
- pothibo 12y agoThe way you explain this, it seems you share the same concept of "cheating" as Jack White (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AJgY9FtDLbs#t=1355 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AJ...) I am left wondering if this isn't cheating per se, but a balance between skills and intelligence. What do you think?
- zedshaw 12y agoWell, artists are fond of saying "there's no rules in art", that is until you violate all the ones they've set down as acceptable art. So, if three's no rules, then there's no way to really cheat. Do whatever you want to make whatever art you feel like making, and hell just calling yourself an artist is all it takes to be one these days. However, if you're pretending that you have an innate ability that's actually the result of technology, or if you're teaching people a topic and lying to them about the tools you use, then yes you're cheating. I can understand a painter not admitting she uses computers to help her paint if she's selling the paintings and doesn't want to ruin the mystique. But, I've ran into teachers that pretend to not use tech and then you find out they totally do, and that's just wrong. The French Salon era was full of this kind of con artistry where teachers would run schools full of cast painting and boring exercises and then the teacher would go off and use projection to make their paintings anyway. David Hockney points out a few like this. So I think if you're lying to people about the tools you use, or downplaying the significance of tools, then you're full of crap. Otherwise, rock on and do what you do.
- jamesbritt 12y agoWhite seems unaware of the extent to which photographers manipulate things in the darkroom. Ironically enough, given O'Brien's app joke, Ansel Adams made extensive use of darkroom techniques to basically "Photoshop" before there was Photoshop. At the end of the day, though, if you have no taste, no artistic vision, then technology isn't going save you or your work.
- anigbrowl 12y agoI had been waiting to see this movie forever and finally did right when it came out, and I can tell you it is awesome. [...] So the awesome thing about Tim's Vermeer is he shows that if someone's using enough technology to make art then they become just a mechanical photo printer. Might as well be a photographer. Those filthy fakers! You've certainly caught them in the act - hopefully all right-thinking people will discount their output appropriately in the light of this wicked artifice. Seriously, you seem to have some sort of pent-up resentment towards people who paint, to the point that your obvious glee in deconstructing their technique has eclipsed your ability to enjoy the paintings as images.