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They are saying "The Verizon network is crowded right now" but in the letter they say that the problem is with "interconnection congestion". So yes the problem

They are saying "The Verizon network is crowded right now" but in the letter they say that the problem is with "interconnection congestion". So yes the problem lies with Verizon and its hesitancy to open up peering points, but if I were a Netflix lawyer that wording would have me concerned since Verizon's network is not crowded. It's like having a crowd outside a bar waiting to get in.

klodolph 12y ago
It's like having a crowd inside a bar waiting to get out.
- Terretta 12y ago
  It's like having a crowd inside your bar begging you for beer, then serving them in happy hour through only one tap. Unless the guys with the beer truck out back giving you free beer to serve your paying customers, in turn pay you to open up another tap.
  - sxtxixtxcxh 12y ago
    i'm sorry, this is all going over my head... can i get this in libraries of congress over football fields?
    - richardw 12y ago
      Its like a crowd inside the library trying to get out to the football field?
brandoncordell 12y ago
Isn't that essentially saying there's a crowd outside the bar waiting to get in because the bar itself is already packed?
- dmethvin 12y ago
  No, the bar isn't packed at all. The bouncer is being a dick and only letting in the people who bribe him.
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  There is also a group of builders who have been waiting over a year to put up a large extension on the giant unused wasteland out back, however the bar owner has been telling them not to bother. Oh, and the bar owner also has a load of liquor stores and only bought the bar in the first place to stop the extension getting built.
Angostura 12y ago
The congested interconnection point is part of Verizon's network, surely.
- danielweber 12y ago
  Or is the interconnection part of Netflix's network? Neither story really brings the entire truth to the table. Netflix could say "our connection to Verizon is full right now" which is more accurate but lacks the oomph that this is all 100% Verizon's fault. Netflix could say "our pipes have a lot more room but Verizon will only accept so much" which I think also is perfectly accurate yet still paints Verizon as the ones who are lacking in capacity.
  - lotsofmangos 12y ago
    You might like to read Level3's take on it. A port that is on average utilised at 90 percent will be saturated, dropping packets, for several hours a day. We have congested ports saturated to those levels with 12 of our 51 peers. Six of those 12 have a single congested port, and we are both (Level 3 and our peer) in the process of making upgrades – this is business as usual and happens occasionally as traffic swings around the Internet as customers change providers. That leaves the remaining six peers with congestion on almost all of the interconnect ports between us. Congestion that is permanent, has been in place for well over a year and where our peer refuses to augment capacity. They are deliberately harming the service they deliver to their paying customers. They are not allowing us to fulfil the requests their customers make for content. Five of those congested peers are in the United States and one is in Europe. There are none in any other part of the world. All six are large Broadband consumer networks with a dominant or exclusive market share in their local market. In countries or markets where consumers have multiple Broadband choices (like the UK) there are no congested peers. http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/ http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-inte...
    - danielweber 12y ago
      I've read that. It was what I was thinking of when I wrote both the quotes in my comment. Netflix wants to get data to Verizon but the bottleneck is at the connection between them.
AnthonyMouse 12y ago
Netflix should beg Verizon to sue them for false advertising. You can imagine the PR coup when Netflix comes out victorious.

klodolph 12y ago

It's like having a crowd inside a bar waiting to get out.

Terretta 12y ago
It's like having a crowd inside your bar begging you for beer, then serving them in happy hour through only one tap. Unless the guys with the beer truck out back giving you free beer to serve your paying customers, in turn pay you to open up another tap.
- sxtxixtxcxh 12y ago
  i'm sorry, this is all going over my head... can i get this in libraries of congress over football fields?
  - richardw 12y ago
    Its like a crowd inside the library trying to get out to the football field?

brandoncordell 12y ago

Isn't that essentially saying there's a crowd outside the bar waiting to get in because the bar itself is already packed?

dmethvin 12y ago
No, the bar isn't packed at all. The bouncer is being a dick and only letting in the people who bribe him.
lotsofmangos 12y ago
There is also a group of builders who have been waiting over a year to put up a large extension on the giant unused wasteland out back, however the bar owner has been telling them not to bother. Oh, and the bar owner also has a load of liquor stores and only bought the bar in the first place to stop the extension getting built.

Angostura 12y ago

The congested interconnection point is part of Verizon's network, surely.

danielweber 12y ago
Or is the interconnection part of Netflix's network? Neither story really brings the entire truth to the table. Netflix could say "our connection to Verizon is full right now" which is more accurate but lacks the oomph that this is all 100% Verizon's fault. Netflix could say "our pipes have a lot more room but Verizon will only accept so much" which I think also is perfectly accurate yet still paints Verizon as the ones who are lacking in capacity.
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  You might like to read Level3's take on it. A port that is on average utilised at 90 percent will be saturated, dropping packets, for several hours a day. We have congested ports saturated to those levels with 12 of our 51 peers. Six of those 12 have a single congested port, and we are both (Level 3 and our peer) in the process of making upgrades – this is business as usual and happens occasionally as traffic swings around the Internet as customers change providers. That leaves the remaining six peers with congestion on almost all of the interconnect ports between us. Congestion that is permanent, has been in place for well over a year and where our peer refuses to augment capacity. They are deliberately harming the service they deliver to their paying customers. They are not allowing us to fulfil the requests their customers make for content. Five of those congested peers are in the United States and one is in Europe. There are none in any other part of the world. All six are large Broadband consumer networks with a dominant or exclusive market share in their local market. In countries or markets where consumers have multiple Broadband choices (like the UK) there are no congested peers. http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/ http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-inte...
  - danielweber 12y ago
    I've read that. It was what I was thinking of when I wrote both the quotes in my comment. Netflix wants to get data to Verizon but the bottleneck is at the connection between them.

AnthonyMouse 12y ago

Netflix should beg Verizon to sue them for false advertising. You can imagine the PR coup when Netflix comes out victorious.