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Are you really suggesting a Hitleresque racial motive behind these experiments? Or just sad that black males (in that locale) have a higher incidence of homicid
by _mulder_ 12y ago
Are you really suggesting a Hitleresque racial motive behind these experiments? Or just sad that black males (in that locale) have a higher incidence of homicide, and therefore more likely to be suitable for this procedure?
- digitalengineer 12y agoI did not. As the article stated: poor (black) people do have a significant higher change to end up in that experimental room. Your comment did made me think about not-so-old CIA experiments on poor powerless people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation... But lets be clear: this is not CIA stuff.
- sp332 12y agoBlack males have a lot going against them, which makes them vulnerable to all kinds of things. Sure they're more likely to be victims of violence, but this makes them more open to any abuse going on at hospitals. It's just a compounding of an already bad situation - now you got stabbed and experimented on. (Hitlerian? as if Americans aren't racist.)
- tinco 12y agoIt sure is racist. They would never do this in a region where there are not a lot of stabbings, so I as a rich white person living in an area with mostly rich white people have no chance at receiving experimental treatment if I get stabbed, so I would most likely die. You make it sound like being experimented on is a bad thing, when you have only a 10% chance of surviving. There's thousands of people out there who would do anything for an experimental treatment funded by the government.
- sp332 12y agoIt's not about dying vs not dying. It's about maybe surviving with horrible pervasive problems caused by having no pulse for an hour. If this were in an area with more white people, they would ask for permission first because they respect you more than they respect these black people who are getting stabbed. <- Speculation, but plausible.
- digitalengineer 12y agoHistory would prove you right, unfortunately. (Although these days it's more like the poor vs the not poor).
- mikeash 12y agoIt's not plausible, because they can't ask for permission. There are only four possibilities: perform the procedure on everybody, perform the procedure on nobody, allow people to opt out, allow people to opt in. They've settled on the third. It's possible that they'd settle on a different one in an area with more white people, but it has to be one of those four.
- sp332 12y agoEdit: never mind, this is wrong. The point is, they never asked the community they're in. They didn't try to get consensus, or make sure that most people around them are OK with it. They just unilaterally decided that the trauma victims in that neighborhood were guinea pigs.
- mikeash 12y agoYes they did: "In order to obtain an exemption to federal informed consent rules, the hospital held two town hall meetings on the university campus, placed advertisements on buses, and made sure the news got in newspapers catering to minority readers."
- spyder 12y agoWhy only males? What about black womans? Aren't they even more vulnerable?
- sp332 12y agoWell, not for this kind of thing. Here's the PDF linked from the article: http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide14.pdf http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide14.pdf Of the 6,309 black homicide victims, 5,452 (86 percent) were male, and 854 (14 percent) were female.