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I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. The site is free, and free from ads. They owe you nothing and they are free to maintain this resource as they see fit.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. The site is free, and free from ads. They owe you nothing and they are free to maintain this resource as they see fit. You have no business calling it a "disgrace."

antirez 12y ago
I agree with the content of your message, but: > free from ads It is not, to insert news to hire hackers for YCombinator startups is an incredibly useful thing who run this site is getting back, and it is a form of advertising.
- jacquesm 12y ago
  I see that as a service to the Hackers just as much as to the start-ups. Everybody wins.
  - amirmc 12y ago
    Said every advertiser ever (and every recruiter that ever cold-contacted you). I do appreciate your point and although I've no problem with the job posts, they are still advertising.
  - jnbiche 12y ago
    I totally agree, but it's still a very valuable form of advertising. Companies would pay big money for featured ads on HN.
    - jacquesm 12y ago
      They don't have to pay, they can just submit. Or wait for the 'who is hiring' thread that rolls around the 1st of the month.
      - jnbiche 12y ago
        >They don't have to pay, they can just submit. Yes, they could, but there's no guarantee at all that it would be upvoted to the front page and stay there for multiple hours. And 'who is hiring' threads are great, but it's easy for an employer to get lost amidst the other comments.
        jacquesm 12y ago
        I think the who is hiring threads have far more visibility than the YC calls for employees. Interesting observation: that model does not scale anyway. As the YC portfolio grows you can only advertise so much before you start to hurt the pool of founders for the next batch and before you fish the pool empty of new talent. So likely even YC companies will face some kind of rate-limiting for these kind of posts, or alternatively, they should simply join the masses and post in the Who is hiring threads. That would level the playing field. Or, yet another option, an open 'jobs' section that any company could post to.
      - StefanKarpinski 12y ago
        YCombinator companies clearly get boosted ranking because there's no way some of those ads would otherwise be on the front page. I have no problem with this, but I don't understand why you're trying to argue with it being advertising.
  - StefanKarpinski 12y ago
    The fact that an ad is well-placed makes it no less an ad.

antirez 12y ago

I agree with the content of your message, but: > free from ads It is not, to insert news to hire hackers for YCombinator startups is an incredibly useful thing who run this site is getting back, and it is a form of advertising.

jacquesm 12y ago
I see that as a service to the Hackers just as much as to the start-ups. Everybody wins.
- amirmc 12y ago
  Said every advertiser ever (and every recruiter that ever cold-contacted you). I do appreciate your point and although I've no problem with the job posts, they are still advertising.
- jnbiche 12y ago
  I totally agree, but it's still a very valuable form of advertising. Companies would pay big money for featured ads on HN.
  - jacquesm 12y ago
    They don't have to pay, they can just submit. Or wait for the 'who is hiring' thread that rolls around the 1st of the month.
    - jnbiche 12y ago
      >They don't have to pay, they can just submit. Yes, they could, but there's no guarantee at all that it would be upvoted to the front page and stay there for multiple hours. And 'who is hiring' threads are great, but it's easy for an employer to get lost amidst the other comments.
      - jacquesm 12y ago
        I think the who is hiring threads have far more visibility than the YC calls for employees. Interesting observation: that model does not scale anyway. As the YC portfolio grows you can only advertise so much before you start to hurt the pool of founders for the next batch and before you fish the pool empty of new talent. So likely even YC companies will face some kind of rate-limiting for these kind of posts, or alternatively, they should simply join the masses and post in the Who is hiring threads. That would level the playing field. Or, yet another option, an open 'jobs' section that any company could post to.
    - StefanKarpinski 12y ago
      YCombinator companies clearly get boosted ranking because there's no way some of those ads would otherwise be on the front page. I have no problem with this, but I don't understand why you're trying to argue with it being advertising.
- StefanKarpinski 12y ago
  The fact that an ad is well-placed makes it no less an ad.