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Twitter for email

16 points by xyclos 12y ago

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cones688 12y ago
> all emails are shown in your feed with no need to open threads to read or reply. Do people just sit and read email all day, surely you then have to "action" them at the very least? In which case you then have to go merrily scrolling back up to see which ones you missed whilst you weren't intently staring at your news feed of emails. I'd be interested to know who the devs are targetting here? Is there a certain business area?
nathas 12y ago
I literally can't think of a single reason why I'd use this... Maybe it's the Next Big Thing but what's the target market? * Who is the customer? * What is the pain point? * How do you make money?
- nilkn 12y ago
  The target market is presumably people who receive upwards of hundreds of emails a day, most of which are pretty short or could be short with no information loss. I don't get that much email, but I've heard coworkers complain about coming back from a short business trip to find 450 unread emails. I guess the idea would be to make this the default method of email, only resorting to classic email when you absolutely have to break the character limit. What scares me is what happens if you're having a back-and-forth email thread, and then it reaches a point where you simply cannot fit your next reply into the character limit? You'd be forced to completely disrupt the conversation to move it elsewhere.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    >What scares me is what happens if you're having a back-and-forth email thread, and then it reaches a point where you simply cannot fit your next reply into the character limit? You'd be forced to completely disrupt the conversation to move it elsewhere. I think you're overthiking it. It's just an ill-thought "copy X service to Y domain" idea, with not many chances of going anywhere. I mean "the idea would be to make this the default method of email". As if that will happen.
- afriend4lyfe 12y ago
  These are definitely key questions any new business needs to consider. While I don't know what the answer is for Toastio, maybe someone could shed light on what the answers may have been for early versions of twitter as it's somewhat related and could maybe help Toastio to address their own issues.
- coldtea 12y ago
  >Who is the customer? VCs investing in the company. >What is the pain point? The inability to come up with a valid product people want. >How do you make money? VC money pay the salaries for a while.
weego 12y ago
Who on earth would ever want to limit characters in an email. Am I missing some subtle lampooning in the copy that explains this things existence?
- marknutter 12y ago
  Who on earth would ever want to limit characters on a blog. Oh, wait..
  - Tepix 12y ago
    No one forces you to read blogs.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    Twitter is not a blog, and tweets are not blog posts. If you were reffering to that. That said, sure, many people would want to limit characters on a blog. But it's THEIR choice to do so (e.g keep a laconic tumblr style blog), not something forced upon them by the people they communicate with. And a blog is not a platform for collaboration. Often it's not even open for discussion (close comments etc). Each blog is its own universe, and you can eithe read it or not. Emails, we get from tons of places, including people we don't work with directly or are not our close friends, and we cannot just shove "keep it short" to them. If your Ph.D advisor or an interested VC sends you an email, would you like for him to get a "keep it under 350 words" autoreply? Or do you want your depressed friend, who wrote a 5-page email to explain his fears to you, to get that?
- seanstickle 12y ago
  I don't limit characters, but I do limit my emails to 3 sentences per http://three.sentenc.es/ http://three.sentenc.es/ It's proven quite useful in my work, so I can see this product as a useful extension of the idea. That said, the constraint is self-imposed, and I wouldn't dream of obligating other people to do the same just to send me an email.
  - Fuzzwah 12y ago
    After seeing that there was also two., four. and five.sentenc.es I wondered if the site just had an auto page generator based on the subdomain. Alas neither fifty.sentenc.es or life.sentenc.es worked. I was disappointed.
farmdawgnation 12y ago
Like some of the other commenters, I remain a bit perplexed by this. I realize we all live busy lives, but the idea of long form communication going the way of the dodo seems counterintuitive to me. There will always be a need for someone to send me a message longer than 350 characters periodically. I don't understand how this actually changes that need. I'm also not so much a fan of the fact that this service will auto respond to people saying they should send a shorter email. That's kind of... jerk-like to be honest. I can see how it would be desirable to someone who just gets too much email, but I would posit that the better solution is to reduce the amount of email you're receiving or exercise more aggressive filtering.
- afriend4lyfe 12y ago
  You can still receive long form emails as you always have, I think Toastio is just offering another option that's more appropriate for day-to-day routine communication. I'd imagine auto-respond being an optional feature as well so you don't have to feel like a jerk if you don't want to. However, I'm not certain about this but it only seems natural.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    >You can still receive long form emails as you always have, I think Toastio is just offering another option that's more appropriate for day-to-day routine communication. How's that any better than getting your regular emails kept under 350 words (and retaining all the interoperabillity and tons of tools and support that email has)? It's not like most people are emailing essays to my inbox. Or that even if someone does, I cannot just skip his email or read just enough to get his point.
    - afriend4lyfe 12y ago
      I don't think it's intent is to replace email but to supplement it with a new feature. Maybe one day the feature can become one of the tools you mention that regular email already has.
- coldtea 12y ago
hihat 12y ago
You mention on your site that you pull from my existing email accounts. What happens to existing messages that exceed 350 characters?
homersapien 12y ago
Late April fools joke?
mccolin 12y ago
This is as good an idea as a Jump to Conclusions mat.
- oneeyedpigeon 12y ago
  Was Office Space shown on a major network last night? That's the second reference in as many posts.
  - zacinbusiness 12y ago
    It made a million dollars!
prawn 12y ago
Screenshots, even showing fragments of the concepts, would be helpful. The idea seems a little odd and not something I could see myself using, but I still want to see how it might look.
notjustanymike 12y ago
I think there's some good ideas here, overshadowed by the the 350 character limit. A scannable truncated feed of all your emails is worth considering, and that's what they should be pitching. The passive aggressive auto-responder is a massively bad idea though. Between clients, VIPs, and dear family members, I imagine the number of fuck you's sent to important people would massively outweigh the benefits of automated snark. Let's also not forget that some companies have ridiculous email signature policies. Ours is fairly sane and I'm still looking at over 100 characters.
bcardarella 12y ago
Isn't this exactly what ShortMail was? https://shortmail.com/ https://shortmail.com/ (only less characters)
flavor8 12y ago
Why would they name it toastio and not own the toast.io domain? That seems like they're trying to be hipster but missing the point.
halostatue 12y ago
I'm not sure how this is different than https://shortmail.com/ https://shortmail.com/.

16 points by xyclos 12y ago

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> all emails are shown in your feed with no need to open threads to read or reply. Do people just sit and read email all day, surely you then have to "action" them at the very least? In which case you then have to go merrily scrolling back up to see which ones you missed whilst you weren't intently staring at your news feed of emails. I'd be interested to know who the devs are targetting here? Is there a certain business area?

nathas 12y ago

I literally can't think of a single reason why I'd use this... Maybe it's the Next Big Thing but what's the target market? * Who is the customer? * What is the pain point? * How do you make money?

nilkn 12y ago
The target market is presumably people who receive upwards of hundreds of emails a day, most of which are pretty short or could be short with no information loss. I don't get that much email, but I've heard coworkers complain about coming back from a short business trip to find 450 unread emails. I guess the idea would be to make this the default method of email, only resorting to classic email when you absolutely have to break the character limit. What scares me is what happens if you're having a back-and-forth email thread, and then it reaches a point where you simply cannot fit your next reply into the character limit? You'd be forced to completely disrupt the conversation to move it elsewhere.
- coldtea 12y ago
  >What scares me is what happens if you're having a back-and-forth email thread, and then it reaches a point where you simply cannot fit your next reply into the character limit? You'd be forced to completely disrupt the conversation to move it elsewhere. I think you're overthiking it. It's just an ill-thought "copy X service to Y domain" idea, with not many chances of going anywhere. I mean "the idea would be to make this the default method of email". As if that will happen.
afriend4lyfe 12y ago
These are definitely key questions any new business needs to consider. While I don't know what the answer is for Toastio, maybe someone could shed light on what the answers may have been for early versions of twitter as it's somewhat related and could maybe help Toastio to address their own issues.
coldtea 12y ago
>Who is the customer? VCs investing in the company. >What is the pain point? The inability to come up with a valid product people want. >How do you make money? VC money pay the salaries for a while.

weego 12y ago

Who on earth would ever want to limit characters in an email. Am I missing some subtle lampooning in the copy that explains this things existence?

marknutter 12y ago
Who on earth would ever want to limit characters on a blog. Oh, wait..
- Tepix 12y ago
  No one forces you to read blogs.
- coldtea 12y ago
  Twitter is not a blog, and tweets are not blog posts. If you were reffering to that. That said, sure, many people would want to limit characters on a blog. But it's THEIR choice to do so (e.g keep a laconic tumblr style blog), not something forced upon them by the people they communicate with. And a blog is not a platform for collaboration. Often it's not even open for discussion (close comments etc). Each blog is its own universe, and you can eithe read it or not. Emails, we get from tons of places, including people we don't work with directly or are not our close friends, and we cannot just shove "keep it short" to them. If your Ph.D advisor or an interested VC sends you an email, would you like for him to get a "keep it under 350 words" autoreply? Or do you want your depressed friend, who wrote a 5-page email to explain his fears to you, to get that?
seanstickle 12y ago
I don't limit characters, but I do limit my emails to 3 sentences per http://three.sentenc.es/ http://three.sentenc.es/ It's proven quite useful in my work, so I can see this product as a useful extension of the idea. That said, the constraint is self-imposed, and I wouldn't dream of obligating other people to do the same just to send me an email.
- Fuzzwah 12y ago
  After seeing that there was also two., four. and five.sentenc.es I wondered if the site just had an auto page generator based on the subdomain. Alas neither fifty.sentenc.es or life.sentenc.es worked. I was disappointed.

farmdawgnation 12y ago

Like some of the other commenters, I remain a bit perplexed by this. I realize we all live busy lives, but the idea of long form communication going the way of the dodo seems counterintuitive to me. There will always be a need for someone to send me a message longer than 350 characters periodically. I don't understand how this actually changes that need. I'm also not so much a fan of the fact that this service will auto respond to people saying they should send a shorter email. That's kind of... jerk-like to be honest. I can see how it would be desirable to someone who just gets too much email, but I would posit that the better solution is to reduce the amount of email you're receiving or exercise more aggressive filtering.

afriend4lyfe 12y ago
You can still receive long form emails as you always have, I think Toastio is just offering another option that's more appropriate for day-to-day routine communication. I'd imagine auto-respond being an optional feature as well so you don't have to feel like a jerk if you don't want to. However, I'm not certain about this but it only seems natural.
- coldtea 12y ago
  >You can still receive long form emails as you always have, I think Toastio is just offering another option that's more appropriate for day-to-day routine communication. How's that any better than getting your regular emails kept under 350 words (and retaining all the interoperabillity and tons of tools and support that email has)? It's not like most people are emailing essays to my inbox. Or that even if someone does, I cannot just skip his email or read just enough to get his point.
  - afriend4lyfe 12y ago
    I don't think it's intent is to replace email but to supplement it with a new feature. Maybe one day the feature can become one of the tools you mention that regular email already has.
coldtea 12y ago

hihat 12y ago

You mention on your site that you pull from my existing email accounts. What happens to existing messages that exceed 350 characters?

homersapien 12y ago

Late April fools joke?

mccolin 12y ago

This is as good an idea as a Jump to Conclusions mat.

oneeyedpigeon 12y ago
Was Office Space shown on a major network last night? That's the second reference in as many posts.
- zacinbusiness 12y ago
  It made a million dollars!

prawn 12y ago

Screenshots, even showing fragments of the concepts, would be helpful. The idea seems a little odd and not something I could see myself using, but I still want to see how it might look.

notjustanymike 12y ago

I think there's some good ideas here, overshadowed by the the 350 character limit. A scannable truncated feed of all your emails is worth considering, and that's what they should be pitching. The passive aggressive auto-responder is a massively bad idea though. Between clients, VIPs, and dear family members, I imagine the number of fuck you's sent to important people would massively outweigh the benefits of automated snark. Let's also not forget that some companies have ridiculous email signature policies. Ours is fairly sane and I'm still looking at over 100 characters.

bcardarella 12y ago

Isn't this exactly what ShortMail was? https://shortmail.com/ https://shortmail.com/ (only less characters)

flavor8 12y ago

Why would they name it toastio and not own the toast.io domain? That seems like they're trying to be hipster but missing the point.

halostatue 12y ago

I'm not sure how this is different than https://shortmail.com/ https://shortmail.com/.