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The difference between an employee doing work and one deceiving you into thinking they're doing work is simple: one produces value, the other does not. Here, no

The difference between an employee doing work and one deceiving you into thinking they're doing work is simple: one produces value, the other does not. Here, no useful information can be extracted from this Eugene chatbot. It cannot perform any useful task a human could perform or answer any useful question a human could answer. Which is what I was talking about when I mentioned usefulness. As a side note, I recently made a question answering engine which, although not very advanced and certainly not attempting to pass for a human, can provide you with useful information when asked general knowledge questions: http://www.sphere-engineering.com/blog/quickanswers-io-semantic-question-answering-engine.html http://www.sphere-engineering.com/blog/quickanswers-io-seman... The Chinese room experiment is not a relevant reference here, because this Eugene chatbot is in no way "functionally equivalent" to a human being. It is not even attempting to implement intelligence.

ThomPete 12y ago
You keep assuming something about the turing test that is simply not the case. The Turing test has nothing to do with usefulness it doesn't even have to be correct. It just has to fool you into believing it's human. You are talking about your own metrics, fine but it's not what the test is about. I too hear Searles Chinese Room argument in your basic rant. And yes of course there are many useful things that can come out of something like this such as phishing attacks, hacking, honeypots even toys for kids.
Too 12y ago
Define "useful" I bet a black hat SEO optimizer would find tons of auto generated content very useful. That kind of content is designed exactly to deceive both users and search bots that it is of value.
- cardine 12y ago
  Eugene would not do a good job auto generating content that is useful for SEO and there are existing tools which do a very effective job auto generating content for SEO purposes.

ThomPete 12y ago

You keep assuming something about the turing test that is simply not the case. The Turing test has nothing to do with usefulness it doesn't even have to be correct. It just has to fool you into believing it's human. You are talking about your own metrics, fine but it's not what the test is about. I too hear Searles Chinese Room argument in your basic rant. And yes of course there are many useful things that can come out of something like this such as phishing attacks, hacking, honeypots even toys for kids.

Too 12y ago

Define "useful" I bet a black hat SEO optimizer would find tons of auto generated content very useful. That kind of content is designed exactly to deceive both users and search bots that it is of value.

cardine 12y ago
Eugene would not do a good job auto generating content that is useful for SEO and there are existing tools which do a very effective job auto generating content for SEO purposes.