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Main question ... pricing?

by endijs 12y ago

ZitchDog 12y ago
Really? Pricing is the main question? How about how much time does it save, relative to the up-front investment of learning a new tool? As a developer, your time is worth far more than nearly any piece of software you will buy! It seems incredibly ironic that software developers have hangups around software pricing. With the amount of money you can make writing software, and the amount of time good tooling like this can save, it should be an absolute no-brainer. They even offer personal licenses and free versions for OSS developers. The best justification I can think of is the non-free aspect. Any text editor requires a lot of up-front investment to master. As the centerpiece of a developer's workflow, developers could be justified in favoring an open-source editor to embrace. But if that's your reason, $1 is just as unpalatable as $1000.
- misterbwong 12y ago
  Really? Pricing is the main question? How about how much time does it save, relative to the up-front investment of learning a new tool? As a developer, your time is worth far more than nearly any piece of software you will buy! Part of that investment is knowing how much it will cost. How can you know your time is worth more than X when X is undetermined?
  - ZitchDog 12y ago
    I'm sure it's in the ballpark of any of their other specialized IDEs. Also not that the X I was referring to is your time invested, not your cash. It shouldn't be the "main question" is all I'm saying.
  - EdwardDiego 12y ago
    > How can you know your time is worth more than X when X is undetermined? For every other IDE made by Jetbrains, the cost is eclipsed by the cost of a developer's daily salary. So if the IDE would save your developer one accumulative day in a year, it's paid for itself.
- endijs 12y ago
  Sure it is. I use one of jetBrains IDEs as my main tool and it also have some DB tools integrated. Before adding one more tool to my toolset I need to know how much it will cost and how big return it can give me.
  - ZitchDog 12y ago
    I think the "main question" you're looking for is whether it does much more than IntelliJ alone - not how much it costs. Price is a distant second to productivity gains. I agree that it is a factor, but in my experience software engineers tend to undervalue their time when it comes to tools.

Main question ... pricing?

by endijs 12y ago

Main question ... pricing?

Really? Pricing is the main question? How about how much time does it save, relative to the up-front investment of learning a new tool? As a developer, your time is worth far more than nearly any piece of software you will buy! It seems incredibly ironic that software developers have hangups around software pricing. With the amount of money you can make writing software, and the amount of time good tooling like this can save, it should be an absolute no-brainer. They even offer personal licenses and free versions for OSS developers. The best justification I can think of is the non-free aspect. Any text editor requires a lot of up-front investment to master. As the centerpiece of a developer's workflow, developers could be justified in favoring an open-source editor to embrace. But if that's your reason, $1 is just as unpalatable as $1000.

misterbwong 12y ago
Really? Pricing is the main question? How about how much time does it save, relative to the up-front investment of learning a new tool? As a developer, your time is worth far more than nearly any piece of software you will buy! Part of that investment is knowing how much it will cost. How can you know your time is worth more than X when X is undetermined?
- ZitchDog 12y ago
  I'm sure it's in the ballpark of any of their other specialized IDEs. Also not that the X I was referring to is your time invested, not your cash. It shouldn't be the "main question" is all I'm saying.
- EdwardDiego 12y ago
  > How can you know your time is worth more than X when X is undetermined? For every other IDE made by Jetbrains, the cost is eclipsed by the cost of a developer's daily salary. So if the IDE would save your developer one accumulative day in a year, it's paid for itself.
endijs 12y ago
Sure it is. I use one of jetBrains IDEs as my main tool and it also have some DB tools integrated. Before adding one more tool to my toolset I need to know how much it will cost and how big return it can give me.
- ZitchDog 12y ago
  I think the "main question" you're looking for is whether it does much more than IntelliJ alone - not how much it costs. Price is a distant second to productivity gains. I agree that it is a factor, but in my experience software engineers tend to undervalue their time when it comes to tools.