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I do see a problem in ignoring a fault when that fault is "killed someone and received no punishment for it". It's an injustice to the victim to do anything el

I do see a problem in ignoring a fault when that fault is "killed someone and received no punishment for it". It's an injustice to the victim to do anything else. If Justice is not an ideal you hold than you wouldn't agree with me on that.

unalone 17y ago
Suggesting I don't believe in justice because I like Ted Kennedy? That's a bit vicious, don't you think? Look, I think that Ted deserved punishment for what he did. Of course he did. At the same time, I can't blame him for using connections to get out of that mess. I'll be totally honest and say that if I fucked up big-time, I'd do everything I could to avoid years in prison for it. Not because I think people should get away with killing people, but because years in prison is a terrifying punishment. So while I kind of wish he'd been given more than a slap on the wrist, I don't hold it against him that he wasn't punished. To suggest that he wasn't changed by what he did, however, is ludicrous. I'm certain he was haunted by that incident for a long, long time, and that it changed who he was as a person. Certainly the Ted Kennedy that died today was not the Ted Kennedy that once abandoned a dying woman. We all grow up and leave our tragic youths behind. Some youths are just much more tragic than others.
- ErrantX 17y ago
  > Certainly the Ted Kennedy that died today was not the Ted Kennedy that once abandoned a dying woman. In my experience that is a fallacy. Besides he was a politician - they know all about expected response. I don't think anyone here can make a statement like that. (I know nothing about him, but it was a pretty sick thing to do. He certainly deserved a worse punishment)
  - unalone 17y ago
    He did. But avoiding punishment for that crime does not immediately make him a terrible human being, or a human being that's incapable of changing. He certainly changed, and for the better. (I'll ignore the "he was a politician" quip, which proves nothing and says nothing.)
    - ErrantX 17y ago
      > (I'll ignore the "he was a politician" quip, which proves nothing and says nothing. That wasn't meant in the way you probably read it. Being a politician is a skill just like any job As I said I don't know much about the guy, but in my experience of people in such a position (a public post) there is a difference between real change and the change we see :) I'm just saying: only a few people (i.e. the close family) really could make a statement like that :)
andreyf 17y ago
It's an injustice to the victim to do anything else. Justice is not the same as revenge, and often quite the opposite. In this particular case, especially in hindsight, I find it hard to imagine a heavy-handed prosecution and jail time having been a good idea.

unalone 17y ago

Suggesting I don't believe in justice because I like Ted Kennedy? That's a bit vicious, don't you think? Look, I think that Ted deserved punishment for what he did. Of course he did. At the same time, I can't blame him for using connections to get out of that mess. I'll be totally honest and say that if I fucked up big-time, I'd do everything I could to avoid years in prison for it. Not because I think people should get away with killing people, but because years in prison is a terrifying punishment. So while I kind of wish he'd been given more than a slap on the wrist, I don't hold it against him that he wasn't punished. To suggest that he wasn't changed by what he did, however, is ludicrous. I'm certain he was haunted by that incident for a long, long time, and that it changed who he was as a person. Certainly the Ted Kennedy that died today was not the Ted Kennedy that once abandoned a dying woman. We all grow up and leave our tragic youths behind. Some youths are just much more tragic than others.

ErrantX 17y ago
> Certainly the Ted Kennedy that died today was not the Ted Kennedy that once abandoned a dying woman. In my experience that is a fallacy. Besides he was a politician - they know all about expected response. I don't think anyone here can make a statement like that. (I know nothing about him, but it was a pretty sick thing to do. He certainly deserved a worse punishment)
- unalone 17y ago
  He did. But avoiding punishment for that crime does not immediately make him a terrible human being, or a human being that's incapable of changing. He certainly changed, and for the better. (I'll ignore the "he was a politician" quip, which proves nothing and says nothing.)
  - ErrantX 17y ago
    > (I'll ignore the "he was a politician" quip, which proves nothing and says nothing. That wasn't meant in the way you probably read it. Being a politician is a skill just like any job As I said I don't know much about the guy, but in my experience of people in such a position (a public post) there is a difference between real change and the change we see :) I'm just saying: only a few people (i.e. the close family) really could make a statement like that :)

andreyf 17y ago

It's an injustice to the victim to do anything else. Justice is not the same as revenge, and often quite the opposite. In this particular case, especially in hindsight, I find it hard to imagine a heavy-handed prosecution and jail time having been a good idea.