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There's no evidence of that, quite the opposite. In fact, there's been significant pushes in both countries for intelligence-collected information to be made a

There's no evidence of that, quite the opposite. In fact, there's been significant pushes in both countries for intelligence-collected information to be made available to routine law enforcement. This is sort of my point about overlapping but not necessarily connected assemblages of surveillance. Although it seems believable, the mechanisms just aren't there (again, yet.) - police CAN request information from the NSA/GCHQ, but it's a torturous and slow process at the moment, and is largely paper based. The forthcoming surveillance state WILL make that available, but it's not happened yet.

DanBC 12y ago
GCHQ is quite strongly against allowing some evidence to be used in court cases because it would need to be tested in open court. They haven't said anything about intelligence provided to law enforcement.
- mpyne 12y ago
  > GCHQ is quite strongly against allowing some evidence to be used in court cases because it would need to be tested in open court. Yep. And that's the whole reason 'parallel construction' exists at all in the U.S.... even when NSA has solid evidence of actual crimes being conducted, they will not burn intelligence sources & methods to allow for a court prosecution of the same. So LE has to either find a way to independently arrive at the evidence that they know is there, or go without prosecuting criminals they know to be on the street. Parallel construction is definitely distasteful but nor is it planting evidence.
Zigurd 12y ago
From the NSA to a "random" traffic stop: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140203/11143926078/parallel-construction-revealed-how-dea-is-trained-to-launder-classified-surveillance-info.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140203/11143926078/paral...
- iamwithnail 12y ago
  That's a really interesting link, thanks. I hadn't seen that particular take on it - I don't think we're particularly disagreeing, though, since that parallel construction is still a long way off 'NSA info appearing in police cruiser computers' - it'll happen, it's just not there yet...

DanBC 12y ago

GCHQ is quite strongly against allowing some evidence to be used in court cases because it would need to be tested in open court. They haven't said anything about intelligence provided to law enforcement.

mpyne 12y ago
> GCHQ is quite strongly against allowing some evidence to be used in court cases because it would need to be tested in open court. Yep. And that's the whole reason 'parallel construction' exists at all in the U.S.... even when NSA has solid evidence of actual crimes being conducted, they will not burn intelligence sources & methods to allow for a court prosecution of the same. So LE has to either find a way to independently arrive at the evidence that they know is there, or go without prosecuting criminals they know to be on the street. Parallel construction is definitely distasteful but nor is it planting evidence.

Zigurd 12y ago

From the NSA to a "random" traffic stop: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140203/11143926078/parallel-construction-revealed-how-dea-is-trained-to-launder-classified-surveillance-info.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140203/11143926078/paral...

iamwithnail 12y ago
That's a really interesting link, thanks. I hadn't seen that particular take on it - I don't think we're particularly disagreeing, though, since that parallel construction is still a long way off 'NSA info appearing in police cruiser computers' - it'll happen, it's just not there yet...