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I don't think scanning a library book, or a book borrowed from a friend, for personal use, is breaking the law in any country.

by sampo 12y ago

x0054 12y ago
In US you would argue fair use while the book publisher would argue that you infringed their copyright by harming the market for that book. Once you scan the book, you no longer have any need to buy it, thus they loose an extra sale. Of course, practically speaking, as long as you don't go around selling your newly scanned copy of said book to all of your classmates, you shouldn't run into any problems.
- welterde 12y ago
  At my university we can just keep the book for the whole semester.. so the students here rarely buy books anyway (except when the library is selling it's old books.. lots of bargains to be had :).
- Houshalter 12y ago
  Couldn't you also argue that borrowing a book at all instead of buying it harms the market for the book?
  - erikano 12y ago
    No. Borrowing a book means that you have it instead of the person that bought it. If you copy it, both can have the book at the same time.
    - Houshalter 12y ago
      I am not saying that they are the same thing. Just that the same argument applies.
DanBC 12y ago
What? Of course it is. http://www.soas.ac.uk/infocomp/copyright/library/photocopying/ http://www.soas.ac.uk/infocomp/copyright/library/photocopyin... http://www.reading.ac.uk/library/finding-info/copyright/lib-copyright-photocopying.aspx http://www.reading.ac.uk/library/finding-info/copyright/lib-... http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/bodley/using-this-library/copyright#1-1 http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/bodley/using-this-library/copyr...
- sampo 12y ago
  Wow. I didn't know how strict the UK legislation is in this matter. I once photocopied an entire book in London. Guess I am a criminal now.
  - DanBC 12y ago
    The UK is far stricter that other countries with "fair dealing". Also, while what you did was possibly illegal you're not a criminal. People could sue you for loss of earnings, but the police (and fines and criminal records) only get involved if you are selling what you're copying.
KamiCrit 12y ago
Yah isn't it just selling or distribution that gets the law involved?
- DanBC 12y ago
  In general copyright violation as part of trade is what gets police and criminal courts involved, but that doesn't mean copyright violation for personal use is legal. "Format shifting" tends to be not legal but ignored by everyone. In the UK for at shifting is changing status from not legal to legal. "Time shifting" was written i to law as being allowed because otherwise VCRs would have been ridiculous.
  - kiiski 12y ago
    It depends on the country. Guessing from the username, sampo is propably Finnish (like myself) and in Finland you are allowed to make a few private copies of any legally produced and distributed books/media (such as a book borrowed from a library) unless it's protected by an "effective technical protection" (so, if you download a non-DRMed movie from a site where it is legally distributed, you can make private copies). Private copy means a copy used by yourself, your family or close friends.

I don't think scanning a library book, or a book borrowed from a friend, for personal use, is breaking the law in any country.

by sampo 12y ago

I don't think scanning a library book, or a book borrowed from a friend, for personal use, is breaking the law in any country.

x0054 12y ago

In US you would argue fair use while the book publisher would argue that you infringed their copyright by harming the market for that book. Once you scan the book, you no longer have any need to buy it, thus they loose an extra sale. Of course, practically speaking, as long as you don't go around selling your newly scanned copy of said book to all of your classmates, you shouldn't run into any problems.

welterde 12y ago
At my university we can just keep the book for the whole semester.. so the students here rarely buy books anyway (except when the library is selling it's old books.. lots of bargains to be had :).
Houshalter 12y ago
Couldn't you also argue that borrowing a book at all instead of buying it harms the market for the book?
- erikano 12y ago
  No. Borrowing a book means that you have it instead of the person that bought it. If you copy it, both can have the book at the same time.
  - Houshalter 12y ago
    I am not saying that they are the same thing. Just that the same argument applies.

DanBC 12y ago

What? Of course it is. http://www.soas.ac.uk/infocomp/copyright/library/photocopying/ http://www.soas.ac.uk/infocomp/copyright/library/photocopyin... http://www.reading.ac.uk/library/finding-info/copyright/lib-copyright-photocopying.aspx http://www.reading.ac.uk/library/finding-info/copyright/lib-... http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/bodley/using-this-library/copyright#1-1 http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/bodley/using-this-library/copyr...

sampo 12y ago
Wow. I didn't know how strict the UK legislation is in this matter. I once photocopied an entire book in London. Guess I am a criminal now.
- DanBC 12y ago
  The UK is far stricter that other countries with "fair dealing". Also, while what you did was possibly illegal you're not a criminal. People could sue you for loss of earnings, but the police (and fines and criminal records) only get involved if you are selling what you're copying.

KamiCrit 12y ago

Yah isn't it just selling or distribution that gets the law involved?

DanBC 12y ago
In general copyright violation as part of trade is what gets police and criminal courts involved, but that doesn't mean copyright violation for personal use is legal. "Format shifting" tends to be not legal but ignored by everyone. In the UK for at shifting is changing status from not legal to legal. "Time shifting" was written i to law as being allowed because otherwise VCRs would have been ridiculous.
- kiiski 12y ago
  It depends on the country. Guessing from the username, sampo is propably Finnish (like myself) and in Finland you are allowed to make a few private copies of any legally produced and distributed books/media (such as a book borrowed from a library) unless it's protected by an "effective technical protection" (so, if you download a non-DRMed movie from a site where it is legally distributed, you can make private copies). Private copy means a copy used by yourself, your family or close friends.