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10 years ago ISPs, and internet-cafés in Denmark had reserved slots for paying members on their counterstrike-servers. I guess such a system would also be disal

by kawsper 12y ago

10 years ago ISPs, and internet-cafés in Denmark had reserved slots for paying members on their counterstrike-servers. I guess such a system would also be disallowed under the Mojang license. One of my friend also hosted a Minecraft-server where you would get access to a /teleport-command if you supported the servers. I guess that would also violate the Mojang license. What about Youtube-streamers? I guess they are using Mojang code to monetize as well.

Cthulhu_ 12y ago
I guess so, yeah, the EULA is pretty clear about it. I think the article hints at Mojang being upset at server hosters locking features that are in the game itself though, like certain ranges of tools or items, in exchange for money.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  Except the fact that EULAs are void in most European countries.
  - joshvm 12y ago
    Citation needed? In the US there have been cases where EULAs have been upheld, not sure about outside. There is a lot of misinformation on the internet about whether they're valid, whether you have to explicitly accept them and so on. I think in a lot of cases it depends on how much money the prosecutors have - in most cases it's more than you. I believe they're invalid if the terms are confusing to the lay-user, i.e. if there is so much legalese that nobody actually understands what they're signing up for. Or if it makes ridiculous claims like "Buy buying the product you forfeit your soul". http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/25/microsoft_eula/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/25/microsoft_eula/ El Reg reckons it's not worth testing it, for the lawyer-money problem. There haven't been enough lawsuits outside the US to really say one way or the other.
    - pjmlp 12y ago
      For example, http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-03-eu-rules-publishers-cannot-stop-you-reselling-your-downloaded-games http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-03-eu-rules-publis... In case you can read German, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag in Germany, a EULA is only valid if the consumer is able to fully read it before paying for the respective product.
      - wolfgke 12y ago
        Even more > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag#Situation_in_Deutschland http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag#Situa... (German, sorry; I'll try to translate it roughly into English): "Even if the license terms were agreed when buying, their effectiveness can be restricted. Then they are general business terms and their content is governed by the content control of the Civil Law Code.". Thus many of terms in EULAs are not valid under German law - the terms that are allowed are rather restricted (and thus lots of Germans will not understand the fealty that US citizens seem to have to EULAs).
  - MzHN 12y ago
    What is it that makes the EULAs void?
    - pjmlp 12y ago
      They are not considered a contract under law, as they are only available after buying the product, so the consumer cannot know before hand what s/he getting into.

by kawsper 12y ago

Cthulhu_ 12y ago

I guess so, yeah, the EULA is pretty clear about it. I think the article hints at Mojang being upset at server hosters locking features that are in the game itself though, like certain ranges of tools or items, in exchange for money.

pjmlp 12y ago
Except the fact that EULAs are void in most European countries.
- joshvm 12y ago
  Citation needed? In the US there have been cases where EULAs have been upheld, not sure about outside. There is a lot of misinformation on the internet about whether they're valid, whether you have to explicitly accept them and so on. I think in a lot of cases it depends on how much money the prosecutors have - in most cases it's more than you. I believe they're invalid if the terms are confusing to the lay-user, i.e. if there is so much legalese that nobody actually understands what they're signing up for. Or if it makes ridiculous claims like "Buy buying the product you forfeit your soul". http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/25/microsoft_eula/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/25/microsoft_eula/ El Reg reckons it's not worth testing it, for the lawyer-money problem. There haven't been enough lawsuits outside the US to really say one way or the other.
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    For example, http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-03-eu-rules-publishers-cannot-stop-you-reselling-your-downloaded-games http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-03-eu-rules-publis... In case you can read German, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag in Germany, a EULA is only valid if the consumer is able to fully read it before paying for the respective product.
    - wolfgke 12y ago
      Even more > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag#Situation_in_Deutschland http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag#Situa... (German, sorry; I'll try to translate it roughly into English): "Even if the license terms were agreed when buying, their effectiveness can be restricted. Then they are general business terms and their content is governed by the content control of the Civil Law Code.". Thus many of terms in EULAs are not valid under German law - the terms that are allowed are rather restricted (and thus lots of Germans will not understand the fealty that US citizens seem to have to EULAs).
- MzHN 12y ago
  What is it that makes the EULAs void?
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    They are not considered a contract under law, as they are only available after buying the product, so the consumer cannot know before hand what s/he getting into.