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Flickr is removing Facebook and Google sign-in

81 points by nyodeneD 12y ago

kunstmord 12y ago
The account creation page (for those who like me used Flickr without a Yahoo account) is a mess – for any account name I tried entering, it said that an account with the same name already exists. Finally managed to create my Yahoo account somewhere else in the settings.
- andyhmltn 12y ago
  I've had that problem as well. I'm not sure if it's a bug or it is genuinely taken
  - kunstmord 12y ago
    I just went to my settings, changed the password somewhere in them, signed out, signed in using my gmail address and the new password, and it worked. But yeah, flickr is buggy. The Android app on my tablet never seemed to load anything (except on rare occasions), and I uploaded a large amount of photos a couple of times, edited the names and tags, and some of the names/tags were lost. But I enjoy some of the groups there, got some good advice on buying a medium format SLR.
- stretchwithme 12y ago
  Haven't been able to get to my flickr photos for many, many months. Even though I'm already logged in to Yahoo, I'm prompted to login. Then I get this error: "Hello- new account signups are temporarily unavailable from this network address space used by your Internet Service Provider." By far the most pathetic acquisition integration I've ever seen.
MattBearman 12y ago
Any good reason for this, or is it just to push their Yahoo accounts on everyone?
amirmc 12y ago
This is (kind of) one of the reasons that I don't use third party services to sign in to anything. I'd rather have an email+password option and use a password manager (I'm aware that most people probably don't do this and Flickr isn't offering this). If/when users do as Flickr is asking, I wonder if Yahoo will redirect them to use Yahoo Mail etc. In any case, I'm not a flickr user anymore but it would be interesting to know how smooth they've made this process.
- basseq 12y ago
  I always prefer a 1:1 relationship with providers: that is, an account that's tied directly to me rather than through a third-party provider like Twitter, Facebook, or OpenID. (Aside: why is social media managing my passwords? On the third option, it's great in theory and terrible in execution.) My biggest issue with Flickr is that they tie it to a @yahoo.com email address. I know it's part of the "ecosystem", but c'mon—who uses one of those?
- danudey 12y ago
  I've always made a policy of not signing into things with Facebook. FB recently tried to encourage people to do so more often by allowing you to prevent them access to your data, or even sign in without letting the website know who you are at all, but that doesn't solve the problem where it's Facebook I don't trust with my Flickr data and not vice-versa.
  - Jare 12y ago
    What Flickr data would be fed to Flickr if you did the Facebook sign in option? Besides the fact that you use Flickr, that is.
- magicalist 12y ago
  > This is (kind of) one of the reasons that I don't use third party services to sign in to anything When you say "this", what are you referring to? I can see not wanting one company to always know when you're logging into other companies (hence the lure of Persona), but this particular situation (you can no longer use third-party authentication after eight years or whatever and must now use first-party authentication) doesn't seem like a reason at all.
jbverschoor 12y ago
Time to ditch flickr.
- Argorak 12y ago
  Sure, but where to? I had worse experiences with many other such services, or they have a very narrow focus.
  - euank 12y ago
    Well, if you don't mind Google, Google+ lets you handle images pretty well. I would have said picassa before, but that was merged into G+ (and some features were lost I think).
    - louhike 12y ago
      The problem is that most of photographs are on Flickr and that Flickr offer 1To per person. Some go to Tumblr but it is more messy that Flickr as it is not dedicated to pictures. And it is still Yahoo. Facebook is a NOGO because the compression is awful.
    - Argorak 12y ago
      G+ is not focused on pictures. Picasa only allows 1GB (used to be 200MB). I take multiple Gigabytes of pictures on all photo trips. Flickr is the perfect match for amateur photographers without ambition ;).
      - reitanqild 12y ago
        Excuse me? Google+ share the quota with gmail. Gmail currently offers 7 or more free GB. Additional GBs are cheap (although they have new price structure now.) Also pictures 2048px (*) or smaller doesn't count towards the quota (and you can easily, in g+ settings on phone, choose to only upload photos resized to that size if you don't want to pay for extra storage.)
        12y ago
shime 12y ago
hey, it looks like we don't have any good competitors now! let's just push Yahoo accounts on everyone, because yeah.
mmmooo 12y ago
That's a pretty bold move, given over 100k people a day/800k a month use the facebook auth alone[1]. and though looks like its on a bit of a decline. Maybe losing 100k users a day doesn't matter much to yahoo. [1]https://factets.com/application/flickr-AQkvRaEJ https://factets.com/application/flickr-AQkvRaEJ
- onion2k 12y ago
  "Number of users per day" is a vanity metric. It doesn't matter to a business like Yahoo. The thing that actually matters is whether or not those particular users make money for Yahoo. If they're run the numbers and discovered that Facebook users don't turn in to paying subscribers or click on adverts (and they can't find a way to do that) yet cost them $0.25 per day in bandwidth then turning off Facebook login will increase their profits by £200k/month due to the saving.
  - mmmooo 12y ago
    definitely a fair point, though personally, based on absolutely nothing, I don't think it is likely that 'those that login via facebook/google' have a drastically different behavior pattern (when it comes to stuff like paying or clicking). Would love to see anyone that has any such data.
  - Ntrails 12y ago
    I assume that they are also handing over data to Facebook with every auth that helps the competition with targeted advertising revenue?
    - mrobert 12y ago
      That would be a correct assumption.
  - laumars 12y ago
    I don't think this is a short term profit-based decision like your example suggests. I think this move is done to convert some Flickr users over to Yahoo!'s own passports rather than promote their competitors. There was a time (back in the 90s) when Yahoo! logins offered more services than Google accounts. I'd be surprised if Yahoo! didn't see getting back on top as an eventual end goal (even if it seems rather optimistic at the moment). So it would make sense not to have competitors linked into their own resources when they have their own passports already.
selectnull 12y ago
This is really annoying and not the direction I hope internet companies will move toward. What we need is to be able to login to facebook/yahoo/whatever with google account and vice versa of course; we need to see the idea of OpenID come alive.
- darvy 12y ago
  Well, Google doesn't even support OpenID anymore (at least not the traditional version). https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/OpenID https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/OpenID
- silverbax88 12y ago
  I'm completely on the other side of the fence. I NEVER use Facebook or Google (or Twitter) to log into anything. If a company only allows that for sign up, I never sign up for those products.
  - pmontra 12y ago
    You're not alone on that side. Every service must have its own user/password. Single sign on with fb/g+/etc is convenient but it is good especially for those companies.
    - laumars 12y ago
      While I do agree with you in sentiment, I don't think it's always better than passport sites. The problem with every site handling their own logins is that you're creating more vectors for attack. Most people reuse passwords (bad practice I know but it is what most non-technical people do) and not all sites are properly secured - in fact some don't even encrypt passwords! So at least passport sites outsource the data protection issues to larger businesses that you'd expect (no; demand) to have experience to handle that data securely.
      - jakio 12y ago
        I personally favour the passport/OpenID idea, from a user experience point of view. In contrast to the problem you've stated, if I were to exclusively use my Google account to log into websites, it becomes a single point of failure if the service was down, and if it were to be compromised.
baby 12y ago
I predict this will be a trend soon, also people are going to ditch services like disqus. Big websites want to have total control over their client account and comments. This is not really clever to always trust third parties, especially with comments which are a huge part of the SEO.
- bagosm 12y ago
  It has nothing to do with trend, its about the corporation (Yahoo) supporting its own products...
- reitanqild 12y ago
  Let me add: Hopefully they will end using 3rd party comment systems that forces you to either break the rules (fake Facebook etc accounts) or sign every comment with you full online profile. (In at least a few foras I frequent the result is that in most controversial case you miss out a whole lot of reasonable but not politically correct voices. Real trolls either don't care about Terms and Conditions and create another fake account or they troll using full name and address.)
- oblio 12y ago
  Yes, let us create an in-house crappy forum system. Better yet, let's use a crappy Open Source solution which was designed 15 years ago. Some cloud services are used because they're actually useful and good at what they do.
- stevekemp 12y ago
  It's interesting that the Huffington post went the other way, just this week. Dropping their in-house commenting system in favour of facebook-comments: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/otto-toth/were-moving-the-conversation_b_5423675.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/otto-toth/were-moving-the-conv...
  - insky 12y ago
    In some way it makes sense, as you ditch the whole dynamic part of your page generation, allowing you to effectively use a static dump for your website. You can then update that periodically. Facebook is left to pick up all the hosting hassles and expense. Also you tap into the Facebook ecosystem. Having said that I doubt I'd even leave a Facebook comment on another website, I haven't yet.
hughstephens 12y ago
"OH NO HOW DO I SIGN INTO FLICKR NOW" said the 0.00001% of people who still use Flickr.
- RobinL 12y ago
  Flickr does have one huge selling point, which is the 1tb account size for free accounts. Combined with a python upload bot, you can backup all your photos and videos for free to private albums. The newest version of the UX is also very nice, IMO. I often use it to show friends and family photos over and above just using Windows because the albums look so nice on a big screen.
- eli 12y ago
  Flickr is still a hugely popular site.
sdegutis 12y ago
We're obviously not all in agreement about how identity should work online (let alone how it works offline), which is kind of a big problem considering identity is something every single one of us automatically has from birth. We may never agree on it, but we may at least mostly agree on it one day (outliers never go away). In the meantime, I'm okay with some level of fluctuation in the practice of online identities, since it indicates some level of (at least attempted) innovation, and trial-and-error at the internet level is never really that bad of a thing. So yeah, this would probably be annoying for a while. But let's see how it pans out.
paulrov 12y ago
I'd rather have the tedium of managing 50 different logins than consolidating them all to something like Facebook.
nek4life 12y ago
If they are going to remove anything it should be the purple bar at the top of the screen. The layers of navigation remind me of someone with all the toolbars installed on their browser. I've used Flickr for years, but unless they step up the design of the site I'll be searching elsewhere to showcase my photography.
LeicaLatte 12y ago
Go yahoo!
djtidau 12y ago
I used to be a huge proponent to single click sign in, in theory it's great. The problem I found with my own startup was that by allowing Twitter, Facebook or Google+ sign in, it was a point of confusion for the user. The amount of duplicate, even triple accounts was far higher that what I would have expected. After reviewing the pros and cons, I switched to a simple email/password combination which also solved another problem of having to ask the user for their email address. There really is a need for a true single sign in provider, in which you link your identity accounts to one 'super' account and then sign in with that, allowing whatever information is available from each as you wish, or simply a blank profile with only your identifier to link back to you.
- mikelward 12y ago
  Doesn't every sign on method provide the user's email address? As far as I understand it, you're supposed to create a single account in your database using the email address as the identifier, and link all the sign on methods to the same account.
mark_l_watson 12y ago
I think that is a good move on Yahoo's part. They may lose some Flickr users but this should strengthen Yahoo's walled garden. I still like Flickr, where I post my very best pictures. I use Google+ and Dropbox to automatically archive every picture and video I take with my smartphone, but use Flickr to actually look at my new and old photos.
jevgeni 12y ago
Again?! I really hope they don't f* up it again, like the time when Yang-era Yahoo! bought Flickr, forced you to get an Yahoo-ID and then deleted it after 6 months of inactivity, effectively locking you out of your own photos. That was great.
lnanek2 12y ago
I wish they would keep it, since I really don't want another account to log into just to use the site, but I admit they handle it a lot better than Hacker News did with this transition page. With Hacker News the Google login and whatnot just disappeared one day and I lost my account and had to start over.
jscheel 12y ago
I've had my flickr account since before they were acquired by yahoo. That, combined with yahoo's crappy user sign-in experience, means that my flickr account, yahoo account, and some other junk account I accidentally created while trying to log in once 5 years ago, are now all conflated. To this day it's still not completely worked out.
- pjc50 12y ago
  Same here. I also went through the del.icio.us merger and demerger, thankfully with my data intact.
lewisflude 12y ago
What is a good Flickr alternative?
- progx 12y ago
  Self hosted gallery.
- pjc50 12y ago
  Depends what you want to use it for ... Tumblr? Dropbox (I've used this for sharing a large album to family and it worked well)? Self-hosted (maybe Owncloud, could do with more suggestions)? Picasa? Presumably there'll be a service that lets you host photos out of S3 somewhere.
- lurkinggrue 12y ago
  500Px probably.
Justsignedup 12y ago
THANK GOD! I tried signing up with my G+ account once. Holy shit, 30 minutes later a developer cannot figure this out.
- bleebloob 12y ago
  It was totally fucking broken if you did manage to sign in. It would sign you out every other day, meaning you had to go through a like 3 or 4 step process to log in again.
nvartolomei 12y ago
Flickr did this already, now the story is repeating

81 points by nyodeneD 12y ago

The account creation page (for those who like me used Flickr without a Yahoo account) is a mess – for any account name I tried entering, it said that an account with the same name already exists. Finally managed to create my Yahoo account somewhere else in the settings.

andyhmltn 12y ago
I've had that problem as well. I'm not sure if it's a bug or it is genuinely taken
- kunstmord 12y ago
  I just went to my settings, changed the password somewhere in them, signed out, signed in using my gmail address and the new password, and it worked. But yeah, flickr is buggy. The Android app on my tablet never seemed to load anything (except on rare occasions), and I uploaded a large amount of photos a couple of times, edited the names and tags, and some of the names/tags were lost. But I enjoy some of the groups there, got some good advice on buying a medium format SLR.
stretchwithme 12y ago
Haven't been able to get to my flickr photos for many, many months. Even though I'm already logged in to Yahoo, I'm prompted to login. Then I get this error: "Hello- new account signups are temporarily unavailable from this network address space used by your Internet Service Provider." By far the most pathetic acquisition integration I've ever seen.

MattBearman 12y ago

Any good reason for this, or is it just to push their Yahoo accounts on everyone?

amirmc 12y ago

This is (kind of) one of the reasons that I don't use third party services to sign in to anything. I'd rather have an email+password option and use a password manager (I'm aware that most people probably don't do this and Flickr isn't offering this). If/when users do as Flickr is asking, I wonder if Yahoo will redirect them to use Yahoo Mail etc. In any case, I'm not a flickr user anymore but it would be interesting to know how smooth they've made this process.

basseq 12y ago
I always prefer a 1:1 relationship with providers: that is, an account that's tied directly to me rather than through a third-party provider like Twitter, Facebook, or OpenID. (Aside: why is social media managing my passwords? On the third option, it's great in theory and terrible in execution.) My biggest issue with Flickr is that they tie it to a @yahoo.com email address. I know it's part of the "ecosystem", but c'mon—who uses one of those?
danudey 12y ago
I've always made a policy of not signing into things with Facebook. FB recently tried to encourage people to do so more often by allowing you to prevent them access to your data, or even sign in without letting the website know who you are at all, but that doesn't solve the problem where it's Facebook I don't trust with my Flickr data and not vice-versa.
- Jare 12y ago
  What Flickr data would be fed to Flickr if you did the Facebook sign in option? Besides the fact that you use Flickr, that is.
magicalist 12y ago
> This is (kind of) one of the reasons that I don't use third party services to sign in to anything When you say "this", what are you referring to? I can see not wanting one company to always know when you're logging into other companies (hence the lure of Persona), but this particular situation (you can no longer use third-party authentication after eight years or whatever and must now use first-party authentication) doesn't seem like a reason at all.

jbverschoor 12y ago

Time to ditch flickr.

Argorak 12y ago
Sure, but where to? I had worse experiences with many other such services, or they have a very narrow focus.
- euank 12y ago
  Well, if you don't mind Google, Google+ lets you handle images pretty well. I would have said picassa before, but that was merged into G+ (and some features were lost I think).
  - louhike 12y ago
    The problem is that most of photographs are on Flickr and that Flickr offer 1To per person. Some go to Tumblr but it is more messy that Flickr as it is not dedicated to pictures. And it is still Yahoo. Facebook is a NOGO because the compression is awful.
  - Argorak 12y ago
    G+ is not focused on pictures. Picasa only allows 1GB (used to be 200MB). I take multiple Gigabytes of pictures on all photo trips. Flickr is the perfect match for amateur photographers without ambition ;).
    - reitanqild 12y ago
      Excuse me? Google+ share the quota with gmail. Gmail currently offers 7 or more free GB. Additional GBs are cheap (although they have new price structure now.) Also pictures 2048px (*) or smaller doesn't count towards the quota (and you can easily, in g+ settings on phone, choose to only upload photos resized to that size if you don't want to pay for extra storage.)
      - 12y ago

shime 12y ago

hey, it looks like we don't have any good competitors now! let's just push Yahoo accounts on everyone, because yeah.

mmmooo 12y ago

That's a pretty bold move, given over 100k people a day/800k a month use the facebook auth alone[1]. and though looks like its on a bit of a decline. Maybe losing 100k users a day doesn't matter much to yahoo. [1]https://factets.com/application/flickr-AQkvRaEJ https://factets.com/application/flickr-AQkvRaEJ

onion2k 12y ago
"Number of users per day" is a vanity metric. It doesn't matter to a business like Yahoo. The thing that actually matters is whether or not those particular users make money for Yahoo. If they're run the numbers and discovered that Facebook users don't turn in to paying subscribers or click on adverts (and they can't find a way to do that) yet cost them $0.25 per day in bandwidth then turning off Facebook login will increase their profits by £200k/month due to the saving.
- mmmooo 12y ago
  definitely a fair point, though personally, based on absolutely nothing, I don't think it is likely that 'those that login via facebook/google' have a drastically different behavior pattern (when it comes to stuff like paying or clicking). Would love to see anyone that has any such data.
- Ntrails 12y ago
  I assume that they are also handing over data to Facebook with every auth that helps the competition with targeted advertising revenue?
  - mrobert 12y ago
    That would be a correct assumption.
- laumars 12y ago
  I don't think this is a short term profit-based decision like your example suggests. I think this move is done to convert some Flickr users over to Yahoo!'s own passports rather than promote their competitors. There was a time (back in the 90s) when Yahoo! logins offered more services than Google accounts. I'd be surprised if Yahoo! didn't see getting back on top as an eventual end goal (even if it seems rather optimistic at the moment). So it would make sense not to have competitors linked into their own resources when they have their own passports already.

selectnull 12y ago

This is really annoying and not the direction I hope internet companies will move toward. What we need is to be able to login to facebook/yahoo/whatever with google account and vice versa of course; we need to see the idea of OpenID come alive.

darvy 12y ago
Well, Google doesn't even support OpenID anymore (at least not the traditional version). https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/OpenID https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/OpenID
silverbax88 12y ago
I'm completely on the other side of the fence. I NEVER use Facebook or Google (or Twitter) to log into anything. If a company only allows that for sign up, I never sign up for those products.
- pmontra 12y ago
  You're not alone on that side. Every service must have its own user/password. Single sign on with fb/g+/etc is convenient but it is good especially for those companies.
  - laumars 12y ago
    While I do agree with you in sentiment, I don't think it's always better than passport sites. The problem with every site handling their own logins is that you're creating more vectors for attack. Most people reuse passwords (bad practice I know but it is what most non-technical people do) and not all sites are properly secured - in fact some don't even encrypt passwords! So at least passport sites outsource the data protection issues to larger businesses that you'd expect (no; demand) to have experience to handle that data securely.
    - jakio 12y ago
      I personally favour the passport/OpenID idea, from a user experience point of view. In contrast to the problem you've stated, if I were to exclusively use my Google account to log into websites, it becomes a single point of failure if the service was down, and if it were to be compromised.

baby 12y ago

I predict this will be a trend soon, also people are going to ditch services like disqus. Big websites want to have total control over their client account and comments. This is not really clever to always trust third parties, especially with comments which are a huge part of the SEO.

bagosm 12y ago
It has nothing to do with trend, its about the corporation (Yahoo) supporting its own products...
reitanqild 12y ago
Let me add: Hopefully they will end using 3rd party comment systems that forces you to either break the rules (fake Facebook etc accounts) or sign every comment with you full online profile. (In at least a few foras I frequent the result is that in most controversial case you miss out a whole lot of reasonable but not politically correct voices. Real trolls either don't care about Terms and Conditions and create another fake account or they troll using full name and address.)
oblio 12y ago
Yes, let us create an in-house crappy forum system. Better yet, let's use a crappy Open Source solution which was designed 15 years ago. Some cloud services are used because they're actually useful and good at what they do.
stevekemp 12y ago
It's interesting that the Huffington post went the other way, just this week. Dropping their in-house commenting system in favour of facebook-comments: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/otto-toth/were-moving-the-conversation_b_5423675.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/otto-toth/were-moving-the-conv...
- insky 12y ago
  In some way it makes sense, as you ditch the whole dynamic part of your page generation, allowing you to effectively use a static dump for your website. You can then update that periodically. Facebook is left to pick up all the hosting hassles and expense. Also you tap into the Facebook ecosystem. Having said that I doubt I'd even leave a Facebook comment on another website, I haven't yet.

hughstephens 12y ago

"OH NO HOW DO I SIGN INTO FLICKR NOW" said the 0.00001% of people who still use Flickr.

RobinL 12y ago
Flickr does have one huge selling point, which is the 1tb account size for free accounts. Combined with a python upload bot, you can backup all your photos and videos for free to private albums. The newest version of the UX is also very nice, IMO. I often use it to show friends and family photos over and above just using Windows because the albums look so nice on a big screen.
eli 12y ago
Flickr is still a hugely popular site.

sdegutis 12y ago

We're obviously not all in agreement about how identity should work online (let alone how it works offline), which is kind of a big problem considering identity is something every single one of us automatically has from birth. We may never agree on it, but we may at least mostly agree on it one day (outliers never go away). In the meantime, I'm okay with some level of fluctuation in the practice of online identities, since it indicates some level of (at least attempted) innovation, and trial-and-error at the internet level is never really that bad of a thing. So yeah, this would probably be annoying for a while. But let's see how it pans out.

paulrov 12y ago

I'd rather have the tedium of managing 50 different logins than consolidating them all to something like Facebook.

nek4life 12y ago

If they are going to remove anything it should be the purple bar at the top of the screen. The layers of navigation remind me of someone with all the toolbars installed on their browser. I've used Flickr for years, but unless they step up the design of the site I'll be searching elsewhere to showcase my photography.

LeicaLatte 12y ago

Go yahoo!

djtidau 12y ago

I used to be a huge proponent to single click sign in, in theory it's great. The problem I found with my own startup was that by allowing Twitter, Facebook or Google+ sign in, it was a point of confusion for the user. The amount of duplicate, even triple accounts was far higher that what I would have expected. After reviewing the pros and cons, I switched to a simple email/password combination which also solved another problem of having to ask the user for their email address. There really is a need for a true single sign in provider, in which you link your identity accounts to one 'super' account and then sign in with that, allowing whatever information is available from each as you wish, or simply a blank profile with only your identifier to link back to you.

mikelward 12y ago
Doesn't every sign on method provide the user's email address? As far as I understand it, you're supposed to create a single account in your database using the email address as the identifier, and link all the sign on methods to the same account.

mark_l_watson 12y ago

I think that is a good move on Yahoo's part. They may lose some Flickr users but this should strengthen Yahoo's walled garden. I still like Flickr, where I post my very best pictures. I use Google+ and Dropbox to automatically archive every picture and video I take with my smartphone, but use Flickr to actually look at my new and old photos.

jevgeni 12y ago

Again?! I really hope they don't f* up it again, like the time when Yang-era Yahoo! bought Flickr, forced you to get an Yahoo-ID and then deleted it after 6 months of inactivity, effectively locking you out of your own photos. That was great.

lnanek2 12y ago

I wish they would keep it, since I really don't want another account to log into just to use the site, but I admit they handle it a lot better than Hacker News did with this transition page. With Hacker News the Google login and whatnot just disappeared one day and I lost my account and had to start over.

jscheel 12y ago

I've had my flickr account since before they were acquired by yahoo. That, combined with yahoo's crappy user sign-in experience, means that my flickr account, yahoo account, and some other junk account I accidentally created while trying to log in once 5 years ago, are now all conflated. To this day it's still not completely worked out.

pjc50 12y ago
Same here. I also went through the del.icio.us merger and demerger, thankfully with my data intact.

lewisflude 12y ago

What is a good Flickr alternative?

progx 12y ago
Self hosted gallery.
pjc50 12y ago
Depends what you want to use it for ... Tumblr? Dropbox (I've used this for sharing a large album to family and it worked well)? Self-hosted (maybe Owncloud, could do with more suggestions)? Picasa? Presumably there'll be a service that lets you host photos out of S3 somewhere.
lurkinggrue 12y ago
500Px probably.

Justsignedup 12y ago

THANK GOD! I tried signing up with my G+ account once. Holy shit, 30 minutes later a developer cannot figure this out.

bleebloob 12y ago
It was totally fucking broken if you did manage to sign in. It would sign you out every other day, meaning you had to go through a like 3 or 4 step process to log in again.

nvartolomei 12y ago

Flickr did this already, now the story is repeating