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This is an excellent point. I'm a Mormon, and from our perspective, it's clear that we are Christians, but others have disputed it. At that point, there is no a

by vlunkr 12y ago

This is an excellent point. I'm a Mormon, and from our perspective, it's clear that we are Christians, but others have disputed it. At that point, there is no authority to decide where we fit. As you said, there are plenty of similar cases, so it's easier to just count everyone as what they claim to be.

baddox 12y ago
In that case, I think it makes sense to define the groups as "Mormons" and "non-Mormon Christians" or something like that. It doesn't make sense to define a group where half the members of the group think the other half are heretics.
- chimeracoder 12y ago
  Why single Mormons out? Why not exclude Rastafari who also consider themselves Christians (but are not considered Christians by many non-Rastafari Christians)? Heck, why even include Protestants? Historically, "orthodox" Catholics consider them to be heretics as well[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari [1] and among some pockets of Catholicism, this belief holds strong to this day
  - baddox 12y ago
    I didn't mean to advocate singling Mormons out specifically. Like I said, my proposal is to define groups such that each group's members all consider each other to be orthodox. > Heck, why even include Protestants? Historically, "orthodox" Catholics consider them to be heretics as well[1]. When I listed "Mormons" and "non-Mormon Christians," I didn't mean to imply that those would literally be the only two groups within Christianity. I was just giving an example of separating people into groups based on mutually-recognized orthodoxy.
  - meepmorp 12y ago
    Or why even include Catholics, as there's a significant minority of Protestants who consider them to be a false church engaging in polytheism - asking saints for intercession with God on their behalf looks a lot like praying to them from the outside.

by vlunkr 12y ago

baddox 12y ago

In that case, I think it makes sense to define the groups as "Mormons" and "non-Mormon Christians" or something like that. It doesn't make sense to define a group where half the members of the group think the other half are heretics.

chimeracoder 12y ago
Why single Mormons out? Why not exclude Rastafari who also consider themselves Christians (but are not considered Christians by many non-Rastafari Christians)? Heck, why even include Protestants? Historically, "orthodox" Catholics consider them to be heretics as well[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari [1] and among some pockets of Catholicism, this belief holds strong to this day
- baddox 12y ago
  I didn't mean to advocate singling Mormons out specifically. Like I said, my proposal is to define groups such that each group's members all consider each other to be orthodox. > Heck, why even include Protestants? Historically, "orthodox" Catholics consider them to be heretics as well[1]. When I listed "Mormons" and "non-Mormon Christians," I didn't mean to imply that those would literally be the only two groups within Christianity. I was just giving an example of separating people into groups based on mutually-recognized orthodoxy.
- meepmorp 12y ago
  Or why even include Catholics, as there's a significant minority of Protestants who consider them to be a false church engaging in polytheism - asking saints for intercession with God on their behalf looks a lot like praying to them from the outside.