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Why are artists poor?

10 points by cyunker 17y ago

massa 17y ago
Because people don't value who makes art, they value who sells art.
muckster 17y ago
Why are rich people so uncreative?
- cwan 17y ago
  Quite arguably, rich people are often the most creative (or at least high income earners are judged by their benefactors as being the most creatively useful in society). Entrepreneurs need to be incredibly creative in innovating and meeting market demands. Sure, we may channel it differently but that doesn't make it any less creative and even arguably more so.
  - cstross 17y ago
    This would be more convincing if we all started out on a level playing field -- as opposed to, say, getting into Harvard because of daddy's connections, failing upwards to the limits of temporal power, then abolishing the inheritance tax that (horrors!) might hold our buddies back. Hint: America isn't classless -- it has a hereditary aristocracy. They just don't put titles like "Lord" or "Baroness" in front of their names.
    - cwan 17y ago
      This argument I'd concede partially to - that there are social advantages some of us have. This needn't however be an argument about income mobility - which I think is a separate issue (and I do believe exists), but even those who get there because of social advantage does not mean that to stay there one does not need to be creative and at least have a valuable work product. This isn't to say that all rich people (particularly if it was inherited) are creative, but I would argue on average, most high income earners must be because of the value that others are willing to pay for.
      - gnaritas 17y ago
        > but even those who get there because of social advantage does not mean that to stay there one does not need to be creative and at least have a valuable work product. Nor does it mean that because they're there they're somehow more creative than people who didn't have those opportunities and couldn't get there. > but I would argue on average, most high income earners must be because of the value that others are willing to pay for. Just because people are willing to pay for something, doesn't mean producing it is creative. Being creative is certainly "a" path to wealth, but it's hardly the only one, and having wealth does not in imply that you are creative or any more creative than the average person. Now of you restrict the "rich" people you're talking about to the subset that were self made, from rags to riches, then yes, I'd agree that they are very likely much more creative than the average person; but you haven't done that.
        cwan 17y ago
        > Nor does it mean that because they're there they're somehow more creative than people who didn't have those opportunities and couldn't get there. The original question was why "rich people are so uncreative?". With reference to the subset of high income earners, I'm not saying that they would be more or less creative than others in those positions who had better opportunities. I am however saying that the nature of their jobs - as high income earners - suggests that they need to provide something relatively unique as a function of their job that reflects value on average at least equal to their income (unless you're saying that most have somehow lucked into "high income" and on average the people who pay them are irrational/stupid). Again this isn't to say that someone else in that position couldn't be more or less creative - it is however to say that the nature of their job based on the attribute of high income requires more creativity. I never said that being creative was the only path to wealth - however, innovation does require creativity and innovation is how wealth is created where rule of law exists. Wealth is a reflection that society appreciates a given idea/innovation. I'd even argue that seeing arbitrage also requires a certain level of creativity though as noted, I would concede that inheritance does not. Nor would I restrict it to the self made rich people as the reality is even those born into wealth would need to exercise a certain level of creativity to maintain/grow it (even if others might be more effective at doing so).
  - gnaritas 17y ago
    All rich people are not entrepreneurs, nor are all entrepreneurs rich. Moving the goal post a bit don't you think?
    - cwan 17y ago
      Not what I said, but many rich people are entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurship is one of the fastest ways to income mobility. It's also one of the more difficult ones. That being said, other high income earners tend to also need to be highly creative - from senior managers to consultants, to yes, sometimes even bankers (sometimes unfortunately so). To suggest however that "rich people are so uncreative" is however not only overstating the point/post but arguably, rather untrue.
      - gnaritas 17y ago
        I didn't suggest that, I was merely pointing out that your reply didn't make much sense. > Many rich people are entrepreneurs. Yes, and many rich people aren't, so what. > Entrepreneurship is one of the fastest ways to income mobility. Agree, but no one was talking about entrepreneurs, you just injected it when he said "rich". > That being said, other high income earners tend to also need to be highly creative No one said anything about high income earners either. Rich is about net worth, not about income. Lots of trust fund baby's out there who could hardly be called high income earners as if they did something for it. He trolled you with a vague statement and you swallowed the bait hook, line, and sinker and injected your own ideas about what he meant to attack. You're tearing down the straw-man you setup yourself.
        cwan 17y ago
        Er no, you're veering this discussion to the silly. I was responding to his original claim and why my response wasn't "moving the goal post" as you state. If you can't see that there is a relationship between high income earners and rich people (and my distinction in my original comment or even that entrepreneurs can be a significant subset of rich people/high income earners), I'm afraid there's nothing further useful to say.
branden 17y ago
Ugh: The job of all artists is now self-promotion. In an age in which the old cultural gatekeepers are being swept away, the most pressing challenge of creative artists is to build their own brands. And it’s the Internet which provides creative talent with easy-to-use and cheap tools for their self-promotion. In a sense this is true, but you could replace every instance of "self-promotion" with "creation" and you'd have a conclusion that is just as correct without all the craven cynicism. If you want you can interpret every tweet, webcomic update, or flickr photo as a marketing effort. Or you can choose to see the internet as a canvas and these as the brushstrokes.
- dasil003 17y ago
  Yes, however with the increasing noise on the Internet it's much harder to eschew self-promotion in favor of pure artistic ideals (whatever those may be) because there are no longer just a small number of gatekeepers to convince. Increasingly you must go viral, though there is clearly more room for smaller successes given the lower overhead.
- blankity_blank 17y ago
  I didn't see any cynicism in article, and I don't think that, in general, self-promotion needs to involve anything cowardly or cynical. I do think that anyone who believes their tweets will be viewed as some kind of artistic statement must have a very cynical view of their audience.
- zeynel1 17y ago
  "The job of all artists is now self-promotion." The job of an artist has always been self-promotion. An artist sells a brand.
cwan 17y ago
An alternative explanation for even highly visible/popular artists: Said of Annie Leibovitz as she faces the loss of her personal collection: "Budget is not something that enters into her consciousness." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2f54f844fc040f6daba9c6b086caf08f.21&show_article=1 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2f54f844fc040f6d...
cstross 17y ago
More to the point, where does this bizarre cult of the "artist", creating works of genius in complete majestic isolation from the governing realities of life in the real world, spring from? Whence the poet starving in his garret? There's a similarly odd attitude to learning in some sectors of academia; from one perspective, education is a worldly enabler -- and from another, it is an end in and of itself and any hint of application to base commerce is positively contemptible. (MBAs versus classical philosophers, so to speak.) The idea that art is disconnected from commerce doesn't apply across the board. Coco Chanel or Karl Largerfeld create(d) costumes that are certainly revered as works of art -- but they weren't expected to hold base commerce in disdain: in fact, their art was their business and their business was very lucrative indeed. Their sector (haut couture) was somehow exempt from the usual rules ... I hypothesize that we're dealing with a cultural relic of the age of aristocracy. To the nobility who expected to inherit wealth, having to work for a living was a symptom of poverty: therefore it must be denied at all costs, which meant that anything they engaged in must remain impeccably untainted by money-grubbing. Anyone in such a culture with ambitions to better themselves had better play by the rules ... and so the more elevated the culture, the greater the distance between cultural activity and commerce. An exception could be made for couture -- aristocrats have employed tailors for millennia, and the more expensive and extravagant the tailoring the better -- but couture wasn't traditionally a career that aristocrats might enter. Academia or literature, on the other hand ... And the aristocrats? Their descendants are still with us to this day, in the form of the hyper-rich -- and major patrons of the arts fall in this category.
- Goladus 17y ago
  More to the point, where does this bizarre cult of the "artist", creating works of genius in complete majestic isolation from the governing realities of life in the real world, spring from? It's been around since the late 19th century, at least: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_boh%C3%A8me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_boh%C3%A8me But Mozart wasn't really treated like a genius working in majestic isolation. Famous and popular maybe, but that was it. So I'd say aristocrats were subject to culture in this way, as well.
tjic 17y ago
Why are artists poor? That's the wrong question. In a state of nature, EVERYONE is poor. Getting out of poverty means one thing: creating something that other people consider to have value, and then exchanging it for cash. Heinlein had rules for writers: 1) you must write; 2) you must sell what you have written. This is true for all artists. It's also true for all doctors, accountants, and software engineers. If an individual artist is poor, he or she either isn't creating anything of value, or isn't finding the market and selling the work. Period.
- abefortas 17y ago
  Depending on the meaning of value. I value lots of works of art very highly, but I've hardly ever considered buying art. I think art can have value without being particularly saleable. And with certain kinds of art, the fact that it's popular and lucrative may even be a sign that it's crass and inauthentic. Think Damien Hirst and Andy Warhol.
  - tjic 17y ago
    > I value lots of works of art very highly, but I've hardly ever considered buying art. Then either the art you admire is way out of your price range (I admire Alphonse Mucha, but I don't own any originals!), or the artists you admire are doing a poor job of letting you know that their work is affordable, and would add to your quality of life.
    - gatormax 17y ago
      "The principle of revealed preference." If he's not buying it, he's not really valuing it. Like the old joke about two economists who walk past a porsche. One remarks that he'd give anything to own that car --- the other responds, "Clearly not."
      - tjic 17y ago
        "The principle of revealed preference." If he's not buying it, he's not really valuing it Exactly!
indigoshift 17y ago
Speaking as a Starving Artist, I've noticed that part of the problem lies in artists trying to achieve success by aping corporate methods, which rarely work for an individual artist. I did that for awhile, and it got me absolutely nowhere. There's also this attitude (in the US, at least) that you're a failure if you're not instantly successful. Rare is the artist who takes the time to build a solid foundation of fans/patrons. You're going to eat a lot of ramen in those years, but the base you build will be solid enough to build a house on. It also helps to be unflaky. The article mentions artists as being elitists at least once, and that's an unfortunate stereotype. It's a stereotype you have to fight against in the minds of your fans, and you've got to fight it in yourself sometimes, too. I'm still poor--by standard American standards. However, I live in a 4-bedroom house with a bedroom all to myself as a studio. I have cable internet, A/C, two cars, and a couple different computers--one for working on and another which serves as a file server for the studio. It's slow and it's grueling, but it's making me a better, healthier person. Making your own bread (for example) is not only cheaper, it's better for you. And the stupid impulse purchases I made when I had a Day Job are no more. I sold off many of the things which were cluttering up my house just because I bought them on a whim. My credit cards are used only in emergencies, and are always paid up ASAP. I'm currently working on $650 worth of private commissions. Ten years ago, that meant that I'd be doing 12 projects at the same time. However, after taking the time to work up a rock-solid fanbase, I can happily say that the $650 is coming from only three different projects. Now, if that sort of thing could be a little more regular...but that's the preconceived notions talking again. It's a rollercoaster ride, but it sure beats all the years I spent answering the phones in my tech support Day Job. :)
- lux 17y ago
  > Rare is the artist who takes the time to build a solid foundation of fans/patrons. Amen. I'm just getting back into music as my next "career" move (touring musician/technomad starting 2010 :). This year has been spent getting the small stuff in place and slowly building a listener-base online and around town. Blogging, twittering, posting songs for feedback, playing open mic nights, joining song circles, networking. Mostly the type of stuff any real business person has to do to make their business succeed, and for artists it's no different. I've been self-employed for 8 years now (time flies!), and I know over-night successes are fiction. It's a constant struggle to maintain or improve where you're at. Things are made to appear over-night when they took years getting to the point where the forward motion reached that level. I'm hoping to take the same approach to slowly building a music career, and I don't expect it to take just a few years. It will take as long as it takes, doing what it takes, but it's the only approach that works. It's great to hear of others doing the same thing too, right on! That's the main reason why I love HN as a community. One story that stuck with me, cheesy as it was, was from a speaker I saw back in high school. He was talking about how you see a basketball star, or the math wiz in class, or your favourite band, and how it's easy to say "wow, that's magic!" as if they were just born with the natural aptitude and were instantly where they are today. He said that what's magic is what you don't see, Michael Jordan practicing every day for hours, the band rehearsing and playing small gigs for 10 years, the math wiz actually doing his homework. I always took that to mean we make our own magic happen when people aren't looking :)
anamax 17y ago
Are artists poor, or is it that "artists" are poor?
pg 17y ago
Short version: supply and demand. The longer version is that artists still make things by hand. In 1500, handmade things were all there were. Now paintings have to compete with manufactured products, and they're so expensive that only a small number of people prefer them. (And if you subtract the people who buy art for reasons of fashion or prestige, you get close to zero.)

10 points by cyunker 17y ago

massa 17y ago

Because people don't value who makes art, they value who sells art.

muckster 17y ago

Why are rich people so uncreative?

cwan 17y ago
Quite arguably, rich people are often the most creative (or at least high income earners are judged by their benefactors as being the most creatively useful in society). Entrepreneurs need to be incredibly creative in innovating and meeting market demands. Sure, we may channel it differently but that doesn't make it any less creative and even arguably more so.
- cstross 17y ago
  This would be more convincing if we all started out on a level playing field -- as opposed to, say, getting into Harvard because of daddy's connections, failing upwards to the limits of temporal power, then abolishing the inheritance tax that (horrors!) might hold our buddies back. Hint: America isn't classless -- it has a hereditary aristocracy. They just don't put titles like "Lord" or "Baroness" in front of their names.
  - cwan 17y ago
    This argument I'd concede partially to - that there are social advantages some of us have. This needn't however be an argument about income mobility - which I think is a separate issue (and I do believe exists), but even those who get there because of social advantage does not mean that to stay there one does not need to be creative and at least have a valuable work product. This isn't to say that all rich people (particularly if it was inherited) are creative, but I would argue on average, most high income earners must be because of the value that others are willing to pay for.
    - gnaritas 17y ago
      > but even those who get there because of social advantage does not mean that to stay there one does not need to be creative and at least have a valuable work product. Nor does it mean that because they're there they're somehow more creative than people who didn't have those opportunities and couldn't get there. > but I would argue on average, most high income earners must be because of the value that others are willing to pay for. Just because people are willing to pay for something, doesn't mean producing it is creative. Being creative is certainly "a" path to wealth, but it's hardly the only one, and having wealth does not in imply that you are creative or any more creative than the average person. Now of you restrict the "rich" people you're talking about to the subset that were self made, from rags to riches, then yes, I'd agree that they are very likely much more creative than the average person; but you haven't done that.
      - cwan 17y ago
        > Nor does it mean that because they're there they're somehow more creative than people who didn't have those opportunities and couldn't get there. The original question was why "rich people are so uncreative?". With reference to the subset of high income earners, I'm not saying that they would be more or less creative than others in those positions who had better opportunities. I am however saying that the nature of their jobs - as high income earners - suggests that they need to provide something relatively unique as a function of their job that reflects value on average at least equal to their income (unless you're saying that most have somehow lucked into "high income" and on average the people who pay them are irrational/stupid). Again this isn't to say that someone else in that position couldn't be more or less creative - it is however to say that the nature of their job based on the attribute of high income requires more creativity. I never said that being creative was the only path to wealth - however, innovation does require creativity and innovation is how wealth is created where rule of law exists. Wealth is a reflection that society appreciates a given idea/innovation. I'd even argue that seeing arbitrage also requires a certain level of creativity though as noted, I would concede that inheritance does not. Nor would I restrict it to the self made rich people as the reality is even those born into wealth would need to exercise a certain level of creativity to maintain/grow it (even if others might be more effective at doing so).
- gnaritas 17y ago
  All rich people are not entrepreneurs, nor are all entrepreneurs rich. Moving the goal post a bit don't you think?
  - cwan 17y ago
    Not what I said, but many rich people are entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurship is one of the fastest ways to income mobility. It's also one of the more difficult ones. That being said, other high income earners tend to also need to be highly creative - from senior managers to consultants, to yes, sometimes even bankers (sometimes unfortunately so). To suggest however that "rich people are so uncreative" is however not only overstating the point/post but arguably, rather untrue.
    - gnaritas 17y ago
      I didn't suggest that, I was merely pointing out that your reply didn't make much sense. > Many rich people are entrepreneurs. Yes, and many rich people aren't, so what. > Entrepreneurship is one of the fastest ways to income mobility. Agree, but no one was talking about entrepreneurs, you just injected it when he said "rich". > That being said, other high income earners tend to also need to be highly creative No one said anything about high income earners either. Rich is about net worth, not about income. Lots of trust fund baby's out there who could hardly be called high income earners as if they did something for it. He trolled you with a vague statement and you swallowed the bait hook, line, and sinker and injected your own ideas about what he meant to attack. You're tearing down the straw-man you setup yourself.
      - cwan 17y ago
        Er no, you're veering this discussion to the silly. I was responding to his original claim and why my response wasn't "moving the goal post" as you state. If you can't see that there is a relationship between high income earners and rich people (and my distinction in my original comment or even that entrepreneurs can be a significant subset of rich people/high income earners), I'm afraid there's nothing further useful to say.

branden 17y ago

Ugh: The job of all artists is now self-promotion. In an age in which the old cultural gatekeepers are being swept away, the most pressing challenge of creative artists is to build their own brands. And it’s the Internet which provides creative talent with easy-to-use and cheap tools for their self-promotion. In a sense this is true, but you could replace every instance of "self-promotion" with "creation" and you'd have a conclusion that is just as correct without all the craven cynicism. If you want you can interpret every tweet, webcomic update, or flickr photo as a marketing effort. Or you can choose to see the internet as a canvas and these as the brushstrokes.

dasil003 17y ago
Yes, however with the increasing noise on the Internet it's much harder to eschew self-promotion in favor of pure artistic ideals (whatever those may be) because there are no longer just a small number of gatekeepers to convince. Increasingly you must go viral, though there is clearly more room for smaller successes given the lower overhead.
blankity_blank 17y ago
I didn't see any cynicism in article, and I don't think that, in general, self-promotion needs to involve anything cowardly or cynical. I do think that anyone who believes their tweets will be viewed as some kind of artistic statement must have a very cynical view of their audience.
zeynel1 17y ago
"The job of all artists is now self-promotion." The job of an artist has always been self-promotion. An artist sells a brand.

cwan 17y ago

An alternative explanation for even highly visible/popular artists: Said of Annie Leibovitz as she faces the loss of her personal collection: "Budget is not something that enters into her consciousness." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2f54f844fc040f6daba9c6b086caf08f.21&show_article=1 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2f54f844fc040f6d...

cstross 17y ago

More to the point, where does this bizarre cult of the "artist", creating works of genius in complete majestic isolation from the governing realities of life in the real world, spring from? Whence the poet starving in his garret? There's a similarly odd attitude to learning in some sectors of academia; from one perspective, education is a worldly enabler -- and from another, it is an end in and of itself and any hint of application to base commerce is positively contemptible. (MBAs versus classical philosophers, so to speak.) The idea that art is disconnected from commerce doesn't apply across the board. Coco Chanel or Karl Largerfeld create(d) costumes that are certainly revered as works of art -- but they weren't expected to hold base commerce in disdain: in fact, their art was their business and their business was very lucrative indeed. Their sector (haut couture) was somehow exempt from the usual rules ... I hypothesize that we're dealing with a cultural relic of the age of aristocracy. To the nobility who expected to inherit wealth, having to work for a living was a symptom of poverty: therefore it must be denied at all costs, which meant that anything they engaged in must remain impeccably untainted by money-grubbing. Anyone in such a culture with ambitions to better themselves had better play by the rules ... and so the more elevated the culture, the greater the distance between cultural activity and commerce. An exception could be made for couture -- aristocrats have employed tailors for millennia, and the more expensive and extravagant the tailoring the better -- but couture wasn't traditionally a career that aristocrats might enter. Academia or literature, on the other hand ... And the aristocrats? Their descendants are still with us to this day, in the form of the hyper-rich -- and major patrons of the arts fall in this category.

Goladus 17y ago
More to the point, where does this bizarre cult of the "artist", creating works of genius in complete majestic isolation from the governing realities of life in the real world, spring from? It's been around since the late 19th century, at least: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_boh%C3%A8me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_boh%C3%A8me But Mozart wasn't really treated like a genius working in majestic isolation. Famous and popular maybe, but that was it. So I'd say aristocrats were subject to culture in this way, as well.

tjic 17y ago

Why are artists poor? That's the wrong question. In a state of nature, EVERYONE is poor. Getting out of poverty means one thing: creating something that other people consider to have value, and then exchanging it for cash. Heinlein had rules for writers: 1) you must write; 2) you must sell what you have written. This is true for all artists. It's also true for all doctors, accountants, and software engineers. If an individual artist is poor, he or she either isn't creating anything of value, or isn't finding the market and selling the work. Period.

abefortas 17y ago
Depending on the meaning of value. I value lots of works of art very highly, but I've hardly ever considered buying art. I think art can have value without being particularly saleable. And with certain kinds of art, the fact that it's popular and lucrative may even be a sign that it's crass and inauthentic. Think Damien Hirst and Andy Warhol.
- tjic 17y ago
  > I value lots of works of art very highly, but I've hardly ever considered buying art. Then either the art you admire is way out of your price range (I admire Alphonse Mucha, but I don't own any originals!), or the artists you admire are doing a poor job of letting you know that their work is affordable, and would add to your quality of life.
  - gatormax 17y ago
    "The principle of revealed preference." If he's not buying it, he's not really valuing it. Like the old joke about two economists who walk past a porsche. One remarks that he'd give anything to own that car --- the other responds, "Clearly not."
    - tjic 17y ago
      "The principle of revealed preference." If he's not buying it, he's not really valuing it Exactly!

indigoshift 17y ago

Speaking as a Starving Artist, I've noticed that part of the problem lies in artists trying to achieve success by aping corporate methods, which rarely work for an individual artist. I did that for awhile, and it got me absolutely nowhere. There's also this attitude (in the US, at least) that you're a failure if you're not instantly successful. Rare is the artist who takes the time to build a solid foundation of fans/patrons. You're going to eat a lot of ramen in those years, but the base you build will be solid enough to build a house on. It also helps to be unflaky. The article mentions artists as being elitists at least once, and that's an unfortunate stereotype. It's a stereotype you have to fight against in the minds of your fans, and you've got to fight it in yourself sometimes, too. I'm still poor--by standard American standards. However, I live in a 4-bedroom house with a bedroom all to myself as a studio. I have cable internet, A/C, two cars, and a couple different computers--one for working on and another which serves as a file server for the studio. It's slow and it's grueling, but it's making me a better, healthier person. Making your own bread (for example) is not only cheaper, it's better for you. And the stupid impulse purchases I made when I had a Day Job are no more. I sold off many of the things which were cluttering up my house just because I bought them on a whim. My credit cards are used only in emergencies, and are always paid up ASAP. I'm currently working on $650 worth of private commissions. Ten years ago, that meant that I'd be doing 12 projects at the same time. However, after taking the time to work up a rock-solid fanbase, I can happily say that the $650 is coming from only three different projects. Now, if that sort of thing could be a little more regular...but that's the preconceived notions talking again. It's a rollercoaster ride, but it sure beats all the years I spent answering the phones in my tech support Day Job. :)

lux 17y ago
> Rare is the artist who takes the time to build a solid foundation of fans/patrons. Amen. I'm just getting back into music as my next "career" move (touring musician/technomad starting 2010 :). This year has been spent getting the small stuff in place and slowly building a listener-base online and around town. Blogging, twittering, posting songs for feedback, playing open mic nights, joining song circles, networking. Mostly the type of stuff any real business person has to do to make their business succeed, and for artists it's no different. I've been self-employed for 8 years now (time flies!), and I know over-night successes are fiction. It's a constant struggle to maintain or improve where you're at. Things are made to appear over-night when they took years getting to the point where the forward motion reached that level. I'm hoping to take the same approach to slowly building a music career, and I don't expect it to take just a few years. It will take as long as it takes, doing what it takes, but it's the only approach that works. It's great to hear of others doing the same thing too, right on! That's the main reason why I love HN as a community. One story that stuck with me, cheesy as it was, was from a speaker I saw back in high school. He was talking about how you see a basketball star, or the math wiz in class, or your favourite band, and how it's easy to say "wow, that's magic!" as if they were just born with the natural aptitude and were instantly where they are today. He said that what's magic is what you don't see, Michael Jordan practicing every day for hours, the band rehearsing and playing small gigs for 10 years, the math wiz actually doing his homework. I always took that to mean we make our own magic happen when people aren't looking :)

anamax 17y ago

Are artists poor, or is it that "artists" are poor?

pg 17y ago

Short version: supply and demand. The longer version is that artists still make things by hand. In 1500, handmade things were all there were. Now paintings have to compete with manufactured products, and they're so expensive that only a small number of people prefer them. (And if you subtract the people who buy art for reasons of fashion or prestige, you get close to zero.)