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I would like to comment that while the intentions seem very good, I think it may be a severe mistake to use monetary compensation as a means to increase the num
by etiam 12y ago
I would like to comment that while the intentions seem very good, I think it may be a severe mistake to use monetary compensation as a means to increase the number of TOR relays.
Framing a situation as an economic transaction has been shown to interfere with other motivations. The classic research paper would be
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=180117 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=180117
where introducing a fine to make parents pick up their children at daycare considerably worsened the situation. The interpretation is that behaviour that was evaluated in a context of prosocial motivations such as being decent towards the staff, keeping a good relation with them, etc, were supplanted by a view that 'it's worth the cost of the fine'.
It is worthy of note that going to an economic reference frame is often easy whereas going from an economic reference frame to one based on social values is frequently difficult - it certainly can't be expected to recover spontaneously just because the money is taken out of the picture again.
Now, TOR is very much about prosocial values - liberty, free speech, the right to communicate without being unjustly surveilled, and so on, and because of that, I think it is potentially quite vulnerable to these kinds of effects.
I think there is a substantial chance that running a TOR node is not going to be worth the economic profit in the long run, but that shouldn't matter, because running a TOR node is about something other and something more important than making an economic profit.
If we start framing it as a business transaction there is a risk we hurt the (in this context) much more important motivations to operate a node.
I think the TOR initiative should be developed on motivation based in the human rights values it naturally supports.
And in this case I believe the option of monetary compensation is genuinely at odds with that.
I'm somewhat sad to be saying this, because as I mentioned, it seems to me that the project is based in the best of intentions. Some components of the TorCoin system may be valuable for other service functions in the network.
I summary, I think the psychological effects of introducing the compensation scheme really should be carefully evaluated before any attempts to introduce it in practice. My spontaneous impression is that it is the wrong method of motivation for growing and maintaining the TOR network and should not be introduced at such. If it is after all introduced, that should be done in a manner that is informed of the psychological consequences.
As a preferred alternative we should emphasize the social and ideological benefits of TOR for core motivation and lower the threshold for contributing by making it technically trivial for the contributor and by making the situation as clear as possible about risks and benefits of operating a node.
- VMG 12y agoIt's much better when running a Tor node is a decision that is evaluated in an economic reference frame. There are very few tor nodes currently because there societal incentive is very low. If you can actually start making money off it, many more people will start doing it. It's a concept so basic I'm wondering how one can miss it. And the paper you linked to not applicable to the situation at all.
- vidarh 12y ago> It's much better when running a Tor node is a decision that is evaluated in an economic reference frame. That may be true if the economic incentives available are sufficiently strong, but that is not a given.
- VMG 12y agoEven when the reward is tiny, people will try to optimize the process as much as possible. It would also be great if people provided internet content out of altruism and didn't want any compensation for it, but it doesn't work that way. A lot of websites can only survive by putting up web-ads, even if the compensation is pretty low.
- sp332 12y agoThat's not a given. Here's an example: A daycare center was getting tired of parents not picking their kids up on time. So they implemented a fee - something small like $5 for late pickup. The result is that even more parents left their kids late! The social pressure of not annoying the daycare employees had been replaced with a monetary transaction: $5 for late pickup, not a bad deal. If you start paying people tiny amounts of money to run a Tor relay, they will calculate that it's not worth it and they will stop doing it.
- masomenos 12y agoThe second doesn't follow from the first. At most, you could say that people MAY calculate that running a tor relay is no longer worth it, but you could also say that without bringing up the (almost completely unrelated) daycare example.