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>As a boss, I’ve deliberately tried to hire women to counteract the male-dominated work tech environments I’ve seen and been a part of. I'm not sure what the s

by Peroni 12y ago

>As a boss, I’ve deliberately tried to hire women to counteract the male-dominated work tech environments I’ve seen and been a part of. I'm not sure what the situation is in the US but here in the UK, that element of 'affirmative action' is illegal.

pyre 12y ago
Depends on what he means. He could just mean that he made extra efforts to make sure that his candidate pool for the job wasn't just men. He could also mean that in a tie for qualifications (between a man and a woman), he would hire the woman; which, while possibly illegal to the letter of the law (in the UK, possibly elsewhere), doesn't seem like a horrible thing. He explicitly states that it's to counter-act male-skewed tech work environments, so presumably if the work place were 50/50 men-to-women, he would relax this preference to women (as a tie-breaker).
- Peroni 12y ago
  I'm not debating whether it's right or wrong. I'm simply pointing out the fact that his approach, even by your suggested guidelines, is still very much illegal in the UK. Legality to one side, I would be interested in hearing more about this. Surely any hiring decision that's even remotely swayed by gender opposes the entire concept of gender equality?
  - andrewfree 12y ago
    If he is trying to prefer women to help balance out the team I would think he is trying to maintain gender equality in another respect.
  - ronaldx 12y ago
    > very much illegal in the UK. I question this. Neither I nor Wikipedia should be used for legal advice, but there are exceptions to discrimination law, and the parent's comment seems to precisely meet one of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_employment_discrimination_law#Positive_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_employment_discrimination_l...
    - Peroni 12y ago
      Assuming absolutely identical skills, experience, education, etc, then you are legally entitled to apply positive action in favouring a woman. Attempting to defend that position in a UK employment tribunal however, would be near impossible.

by Peroni 12y ago

pyre 12y ago

Depends on what he means. He could just mean that he made extra efforts to make sure that his candidate pool for the job wasn't just men. He could also mean that in a tie for qualifications (between a man and a woman), he would hire the woman; which, while possibly illegal to the letter of the law (in the UK, possibly elsewhere), doesn't seem like a horrible thing. He explicitly states that it's to counter-act male-skewed tech work environments, so presumably if the work place were 50/50 men-to-women, he would relax this preference to women (as a tie-breaker).

Peroni 12y ago
I'm not debating whether it's right or wrong. I'm simply pointing out the fact that his approach, even by your suggested guidelines, is still very much illegal in the UK. Legality to one side, I would be interested in hearing more about this. Surely any hiring decision that's even remotely swayed by gender opposes the entire concept of gender equality?
- andrewfree 12y ago
  If he is trying to prefer women to help balance out the team I would think he is trying to maintain gender equality in another respect.
- ronaldx 12y ago
  > very much illegal in the UK. I question this. Neither I nor Wikipedia should be used for legal advice, but there are exceptions to discrimination law, and the parent's comment seems to precisely meet one of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_employment_discrimination_law#Positive_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_employment_discrimination_l...
  - Peroni 12y ago
    Assuming absolutely identical skills, experience, education, etc, then you are legally entitled to apply positive action in favouring a woman. Attempting to defend that position in a UK employment tribunal however, would be near impossible.