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What does installing OS X on hardware it was never tested on have to do with the number of Mac users not wanting to use a OS that requires work beyond turning t

by mhurron 12y ago

What does installing OS X on hardware it was never tested on have to do with the number of Mac users not wanting to use a OS that requires work beyond turning the computer on? Linux is harder than OS X to get running, when you follow the OS X EULA.

Alupis 12y ago
Very much so not true: http://fedoraproject.org/ http://fedoraproject.org/ http://www.ubuntu.com/ http://www.ubuntu.com/ Download an ISO and install it. I think you will be surprised. Pop the disk in after burning to a CD/DVD. Click "install", reboot and you are done. Doesn't matter what your hardware is... it will install and work. Other than getting a computer with a pre-installed OS, it really can't get much simpler. Modern Linux Desktops do not require you to do anything but click the "install" button. You don't have to mess with partitioning, packages, etc. You can understand absolutely nothing about Linux and install it easily and use it easily.
- BillinghamJ 12y ago
  It's at least 100x more difficult than opening a laptop screen and it already being done.
  - josteink 12y ago
    How do you do that in VMWare ESX?
    - Alupis 12y ago
      Not sure your point here... it's actually easier than this mac install on ESX (of course, because it's supported natively with no hackery required). Just point ESX at the ISO and it installs.
  - rlpb 12y ago
    Then buy a laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed on it. Example: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd
- vlunkr 12y ago
  I agree that linux is very easy to install these days, but the point is still valid. OS X was never intended to run the way the author is using it. If you use it as intended, installation is every bit as simple as Ubuntu or Fedora, and there's no need to mess with partitioning or drivers.
- wtallis 12y ago
  It will install and "work". But the 3d graphics won't. And even though it's pretty easy nowadays, it's still not easier than OS X, especially if you want to transfer files and settings from another machine.
  - Alupis 12y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean by "3d graphics won't [work]", they do just fine. Transferring files/settings is also a non-issue. I think it's been a long while since you looked at or used a Linux desktop. They have come a long long way in the past 5 years. Not sure how it can be any easier other than getting a computer pre-installed (which you can now too, but, admittedly not as common as I would like). I mean, you have to put a disk into some hardware at some point and click some install button...
  - TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
    And then the sound will glitch and cut out, with the graphical FPS varying wildly in games and sometimes frames being delayed by hundreds of milliseconds or more. That's my personal experience, anyway; I really wish I could say Linux works well, but on a 2008 Dell PC with a common chipset the sound does not even work reliably with the latest version of Ubuntu, nor does a common AMD Radeon chipset with the official fglrx drivers. It's not like it doesn't work, it worked fine 90% of the time. But 90% is not enough; when even Half-Life 2 is completely unplayable (on hardware which easily runs it in Windows), something's wrong.
    - Alupis 12y ago
      Every issue you described are issues from 2-3 years ago. They have all been solved, especially in the major distros. A current version 14.x of Ubuntu, or version 20+ of Fedora will work "out of the box" with zero tweaking. Honestly. (I run full-time Linux desktops on everything from old repourposed warehouse workstations that were bought in the windows 2000 days, all the way through dual booting my modern gaming rig... it just works). And to touch on your gaming comment -- actually, Valve has found the same games perform better on Linux using OpenGL than they do on Windows. So much so, that they were surprised at how well they performed. So much so, that many many other gaming companies are now re-releasing and/or planning future releases on Linux. The day of Linux gaming is here...

by mhurron 12y ago

Alupis 12y ago

Very much so not true: http://fedoraproject.org/ http://fedoraproject.org/ http://www.ubuntu.com/ http://www.ubuntu.com/ Download an ISO and install it. I think you will be surprised. Pop the disk in after burning to a CD/DVD. Click "install", reboot and you are done. Doesn't matter what your hardware is... it will install and work. Other than getting a computer with a pre-installed OS, it really can't get much simpler. Modern Linux Desktops do not require you to do anything but click the "install" button. You don't have to mess with partitioning, packages, etc. You can understand absolutely nothing about Linux and install it easily and use it easily.

BillinghamJ 12y ago
It's at least 100x more difficult than opening a laptop screen and it already being done.
- josteink 12y ago
  How do you do that in VMWare ESX?
  - Alupis 12y ago
    Not sure your point here... it's actually easier than this mac install on ESX (of course, because it's supported natively with no hackery required). Just point ESX at the ISO and it installs.
- rlpb 12y ago
  Then buy a laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed on it. Example: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd
vlunkr 12y ago
I agree that linux is very easy to install these days, but the point is still valid. OS X was never intended to run the way the author is using it. If you use it as intended, installation is every bit as simple as Ubuntu or Fedora, and there's no need to mess with partitioning or drivers.
wtallis 12y ago
It will install and "work". But the 3d graphics won't. And even though it's pretty easy nowadays, it's still not easier than OS X, especially if you want to transfer files and settings from another machine.
- Alupis 12y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean by "3d graphics won't [work]", they do just fine. Transferring files/settings is also a non-issue. I think it's been a long while since you looked at or used a Linux desktop. They have come a long long way in the past 5 years. Not sure how it can be any easier other than getting a computer pre-installed (which you can now too, but, admittedly not as common as I would like). I mean, you have to put a disk into some hardware at some point and click some install button...
- TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
  And then the sound will glitch and cut out, with the graphical FPS varying wildly in games and sometimes frames being delayed by hundreds of milliseconds or more. That's my personal experience, anyway; I really wish I could say Linux works well, but on a 2008 Dell PC with a common chipset the sound does not even work reliably with the latest version of Ubuntu, nor does a common AMD Radeon chipset with the official fglrx drivers. It's not like it doesn't work, it worked fine 90% of the time. But 90% is not enough; when even Half-Life 2 is completely unplayable (on hardware which easily runs it in Windows), something's wrong.
  - Alupis 12y ago
    Every issue you described are issues from 2-3 years ago. They have all been solved, especially in the major distros. A current version 14.x of Ubuntu, or version 20+ of Fedora will work "out of the box" with zero tweaking. Honestly. (I run full-time Linux desktops on everything from old repourposed warehouse workstations that were bought in the windows 2000 days, all the way through dual booting my modern gaming rig... it just works). And to touch on your gaming comment -- actually, Valve has found the same games perform better on Linux using OpenGL than they do on Windows. So much so, that they were surprised at how well they performed. So much so, that many many other gaming companies are now re-releasing and/or planning future releases on Linux. The day of Linux gaming is here...