4 ms·
So I've posted this before, but aluminum smelting is just plain old too hard for this to be as cheap as batteries. I mean, it's great if you're Alcoa, an alumin
by scythe 12y ago
So I've posted this before, but aluminum smelting is just plain old too hard for this to be as cheap as batteries. I mean, it's great if you're Alcoa, an aluminium smelter, but let's take a look at bulk prices:
Aluminium costs $1.80/kg: http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=aluminum http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=aluminum
Alumina, the product of the aluminium-air reaction, costs ~$0.45/kg: http://www.indexmundi.com/en/commodities/minerals/bauxite_and_alumina/bauxite_and_alumina_t6.html http://www.indexmundi.com/en/commodities/minerals/bauxite_an...
The cost of refining aluminum from ore, in bulk, is therefore >$1.35/kg (otherwise, Alcoa would be cleaning up on the commodities market). The cost of a 3000km battery with 100kg of aluminium is therefore $135, or roughly 4.4 cents per kilometer, or 7 cents per mile.
That's nearly as expensive as gasoline, going off of commodity metal prices and assuming absolutely no overhead or profit margin. That's not to mention the environmental consequences of aluminium refining w.r.t. the massive amount of energy therefor required.
It's impressive tech, but it's not feasible. The Hall-Héroult process has been the subject of intense scientific scrutiny for over 100 years; everyone and their brother has tried to make it more efficient: we use aluminium for everything. Aluminium is not going to get any easier, barring massive breakthroughs in fusion energy and/or the Second Coming.
EDIT: Originally my calculated cents/mile was off by a factor of 10. However, the latter point, "nearly as expensive as gasoline", stands: it costs $250 for a gas car to drive 3000 km, at 30 mpg and $4/gallon. I didn't notice the error because I used this latter comparison rather than figuring out gasoline's cents/mile.
- abat 12y agoThe idea is it's a backup battery instead of a backup gasoline engine. Being "nearly as expensive as gasoline" could still be a win because it could be used in electric vehicles without having to add a backup generator engine. Also it could have other benefits like being safer (less combustible), producing fewer emissions on the road, and weighing less than gas. That said, I'm not saying I'm believer in this tech
- deleted 12y ago[deleted]
- trhway 12y ago>The cost of a 3000km battery with 100kg of aluminum is therefore $135, or roughly 44 cents per kilometer, or 70 cents per mile. $135 / 3000km = $0.04 , not $0.44 That is the beauty of metal "burning" in fuel cells instead of gasoline - gasoline is expensive because it is too little of oil on our planet compare to any common metal.
- stcredzero 12y agoAluminium is not going to get any easier, barring massive breakthroughs in fusion energy and/or the Second Coming. How about vast solar thermal plants in the Sahara?
- trhway 12y agothat would lead to even better thing - silicon-air cells :)
- stcredzero 12y agoPower being one of the big expenses, materials for smelting are often shipped to where there is power.
- kashkhan 12y agoAlumina is not all aluminum (Al2 O3 ) so you need to correct for that.