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I start writing a ORM (that is how I learn a new language). Very fast I hit problems. The keynote and the state of union say swift is ready for production, but

by mamcx 12y ago

I start writing a ORM (that is how I learn a new language). Very fast I hit problems. The keynote and the state of union say swift is ready for production, but is not there yet. The coding experience is buggy, the repl violate the language (is possible to change a constant to another type!), the importing of other obj-c code is sometimes broken (ie: Not work at all, or yes). A lot of things are not documented (For example, how do a generator?), etc Still, I hope this lang mature and be popular, because I want badly to not use obj-c

mamcx 12y ago
Why the downvote?
- albemuth 12y ago
  grammar maybe?
- coldtea 12y ago
  Maybe because neither the keynote not the state of union said swift is ready for production.
  - mamcx 12y ago
    Do you see the videos? They expect to get apps made with swift on launch of iOS 8, and have rewrite at least the WWDC videos app as showcase. P.D: This remark was about 32 min in the state of union video
    - coldtea 12y ago
      The launch of iOS is several months in the future. Swift, as XCode 6, is still beta.
      - mamcx 12y ago
        Yep, but in terms of languages, that is around the corner!
- sanderjd 12y ago
  No idea why someone would have downvoted you. Your post was the first one that has given me insight into what it's actually like to work with the language at this early stage.
r00fus 12y ago
Can you provide more details? All of the issues you mention seem like typical early beta expectations.
- mamcx 12y ago
  Some of the issues are in https://devforums.apple.com/community/tools/languages/swift https://devforums.apple.com/community/tools/languages/swift For example, when the REPL is invoked with /Applications/Xcode6-Beta.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/swift, is possible to write: let a= 1 This create a constant integer. According to the docs, is a constant and can't change. However, you can write: a=2 And it work. But if is write in XCode it show that that is a error
- mamcx 12y ago
  Other issues is for example, how import code into a playground: https://devforums.apple.com/thread/227949?tstart=0 https://devforums.apple.com/thread/227949?tstart=0 and when importing obj-c code https://devforums.apple.com/message/972445#972445 https://devforums.apple.com/message/972445#972445 it suddenly can't refer to them. How much is this about xcode or the language is something I don't know. The thing is, I'm a avid supported of alternate languages. When everyone use VB, I use FoxPro. When is C, I use Delphi. I get iOS instead of Android, and python instead of php. But with swift I hit in less than half a hour several crashes & weird behaviour (not just: i don't know how use this lang) that I rarely experiment when use other langs. But: I still continue with this, because the lang -despite the flaws (no exceptions? why ...? and other stuff) seem enjoyable.

by mamcx 12y ago

mamcx 12y ago

Why the downvote?

albemuth 12y ago
grammar maybe?
coldtea 12y ago
Maybe because neither the keynote not the state of union said swift is ready for production.
- mamcx 12y ago
  Do you see the videos? They expect to get apps made with swift on launch of iOS 8, and have rewrite at least the WWDC videos app as showcase. P.D: This remark was about 32 min in the state of union video
  - coldtea 12y ago
    The launch of iOS is several months in the future. Swift, as XCode 6, is still beta.
    - mamcx 12y ago
      Yep, but in terms of languages, that is around the corner!
sanderjd 12y ago
No idea why someone would have downvoted you. Your post was the first one that has given me insight into what it's actually like to work with the language at this early stage.

r00fus 12y ago

Can you provide more details? All of the issues you mention seem like typical early beta expectations.

mamcx 12y ago
Some of the issues are in https://devforums.apple.com/community/tools/languages/swift https://devforums.apple.com/community/tools/languages/swift For example, when the REPL is invoked with /Applications/Xcode6-Beta.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/swift, is possible to write: let a= 1 This create a constant integer. According to the docs, is a constant and can't change. However, you can write: a=2 And it work. But if is write in XCode it show that that is a error
mamcx 12y ago
Other issues is for example, how import code into a playground: https://devforums.apple.com/thread/227949?tstart=0 https://devforums.apple.com/thread/227949?tstart=0 and when importing obj-c code https://devforums.apple.com/message/972445#972445 https://devforums.apple.com/message/972445#972445 it suddenly can't refer to them. How much is this about xcode or the language is something I don't know. The thing is, I'm a avid supported of alternate languages. When everyone use VB, I use FoxPro. When is C, I use Delphi. I get iOS instead of Android, and python instead of php. But with swift I hit in less than half a hour several crashes & weird behaviour (not just: i don't know how use this lang) that I rarely experiment when use other langs. But: I still continue with this, because the lang -despite the flaws (no exceptions? why ...? and other stuff) seem enjoyable.