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He is referring to https://twitter.com/shanley https://twitter.com/shanley, a moderately well known and divisive figure in the tech feminism scene.

by akanet 12y ago

peteretep 12y ago
Three of the top four receivers appear to fit the label "moderately well known and divisive figure in the tech feminism scene".
- PaulHoule 12y ago
  I think more seriously https://www.gittip.com/noirin/ https://www.gittip.com/noirin/ has stuff on her profile that directly deprecates her husband. I don't anything about this case, but I'd say in general it makes me uncomfortable that somebody is bringing up a personal conflict on a platform like this.
  - j46a1 12y ago
    I'm glad that others are voicing their dissent. Gittip has went from an idea of giving open source developers a way to supplement their income via time spent writing software. Instead, it's been hijacked by toxic social justice warriors. One is even for someone supporting their legal issues (unrelated in any way whatsoever to tech). I'd love to see a statement by someone at Gittip responding to this.
    - PaulHoule 12y ago
      I'm pretty amazed I got at least three downvotes for what I think is a pretty mild observation.
      - swampangel 12y ago
        The post that spawned this subthread amounts to "Since gittip's main beneficiaries are women I disagree with, gittip should be shut down". In that context, do you see how your post is stoking the fire? You didn't indicate what you think gittip is for, just that noirin's use of it is inappropriate. You also said she "deprecates her husband", when she lists 2 facts: a) he was arrested b) he is suing her for things she said about it Plus, he's her ex-husband, and this is a situation where the distinction is important. So in context, I don't think what you said was mild, I think it's somewhat hostile and inaccurate.
        arzugula 12y ago
        > "Since gittip's main beneficiaries are women I disagree with, gittip should be shut down" You're conflating /women/ with a small group of toxic feminists. There are many women in tech who have distanced themselves from these people.
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  - j46a1 12y ago
    He was exonerated and is suing her for libel and assault. www.scribd.com/doc/170684165/Michael-Schwern-Exonerated
    - ceejayoz 12y ago
      Prosecutors declining to charge isn't the same as exoneration, as much as a defense lawyer might want to convince you of such.
      - j46a1 12y ago
        Prosecutors are very aggressive. Declining to charge means severe lack of evidence. Basically she's a liar.
        ceejayoz 12y ago
        Bullshit. Prosecutors like their 100% conviction rates, to the point where they lie to judges, manipulate evidence, etc. http://www.propublica.org/article/who-polices-prosecutors-who-abuse-their-authority-usually-nobody http://www.propublica.org/article/who-polices-prosecutors-wh... There are plenty of crimes that don't leave particularly useful evidence. Pointing a gun at someone is illegal, but how do you prove it happened? Same issue in many rape cases. Cops in some areas also have a history of suppressing reporting and/or evidence to keep crime statistics down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft
        maco 12y ago
        Since more recently published court documents have shown this to be a sexual assault / rape and domestic violence arrest, some statistics are in order. Particularly relevant is the fact that only 14-18% of sexual assault cases are prosecuted, or 37% for rape alone. http://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07_Rape_Prosecution.pdf http://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07_Rape_Prosecution.pd... Given that, it would actually be highly unusual if he DID go to trial.
        12y ago
  - hythloday 12y ago
    You have no problem with her husband "bringing up a personal conflict" using a legal system that you are obliged to pay for, but a woman using a voluntary site to fund her defence makes you uncomfortable? Check your fly, sir, your prejudices are showing.

He is referring to https://twitter.com/shanley https://twitter.com/shanley, a moderately well known and divisive figure in the tech feminism scene.

by akanet 12y ago

He is referring to https://twitter.com/shanley https://twitter.com/shanley, a moderately well known and divisive figure in the tech feminism scene.

peteretep 12y ago

Three of the top four receivers appear to fit the label "moderately well known and divisive figure in the tech feminism scene".

PaulHoule 12y ago
I think more seriously https://www.gittip.com/noirin/ https://www.gittip.com/noirin/ has stuff on her profile that directly deprecates her husband. I don't anything about this case, but I'd say in general it makes me uncomfortable that somebody is bringing up a personal conflict on a platform like this.
- j46a1 12y ago
  I'm glad that others are voicing their dissent. Gittip has went from an idea of giving open source developers a way to supplement their income via time spent writing software. Instead, it's been hijacked by toxic social justice warriors. One is even for someone supporting their legal issues (unrelated in any way whatsoever to tech). I'd love to see a statement by someone at Gittip responding to this.
  - PaulHoule 12y ago
    I'm pretty amazed I got at least three downvotes for what I think is a pretty mild observation.
    - swampangel 12y ago
      The post that spawned this subthread amounts to "Since gittip's main beneficiaries are women I disagree with, gittip should be shut down". In that context, do you see how your post is stoking the fire? You didn't indicate what you think gittip is for, just that noirin's use of it is inappropriate. You also said she "deprecates her husband", when she lists 2 facts: a) he was arrested b) he is suing her for things she said about it Plus, he's her ex-husband, and this is a situation where the distinction is important. So in context, I don't think what you said was mild, I think it's somewhat hostile and inaccurate.
      - arzugula 12y ago
        > "Since gittip's main beneficiaries are women I disagree with, gittip should be shut down" You're conflating /women/ with a small group of toxic feminists. There are many women in tech who have distanced themselves from these people.
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- j46a1 12y ago
  He was exonerated and is suing her for libel and assault. www.scribd.com/doc/170684165/Michael-Schwern-Exonerated
  - ceejayoz 12y ago
    Prosecutors declining to charge isn't the same as exoneration, as much as a defense lawyer might want to convince you of such.
    - j46a1 12y ago
      Prosecutors are very aggressive. Declining to charge means severe lack of evidence. Basically she's a liar.
      - ceejayoz 12y ago
        Bullshit. Prosecutors like their 100% conviction rates, to the point where they lie to judges, manipulate evidence, etc. http://www.propublica.org/article/who-polices-prosecutors-who-abuse-their-authority-usually-nobody http://www.propublica.org/article/who-polices-prosecutors-wh... There are plenty of crimes that don't leave particularly useful evidence. Pointing a gun at someone is illegal, but how do you prove it happened? Same issue in many rape cases. Cops in some areas also have a history of suppressing reporting and/or evidence to keep crime statistics down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft
      - maco 12y ago
        Since more recently published court documents have shown this to be a sexual assault / rape and domestic violence arrest, some statistics are in order. Particularly relevant is the fact that only 14-18% of sexual assault cases are prosecuted, or 37% for rape alone. http://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07_Rape_Prosecution.pdf http://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07_Rape_Prosecution.pd... Given that, it would actually be highly unusual if he DID go to trial.
        12y ago
- hythloday 12y ago
  You have no problem with her husband "bringing up a personal conflict" using a legal system that you are obliged to pay for, but a woman using a voluntary site to fund her defence makes you uncomfortable? Check your fly, sir, your prejudices are showing.