> A "vegetable hedge" isn't natural in most places - it's the result of significant human activity. And what is the issue with planted vegetables? Out here in

> A "vegetable hedge" isn't natural in most places - it's the result of significant human activity. And what is the issue with planted vegetables? Out here in Europe, vegetable hedges are considered a very important for the ecosystem. >New Jersey isn't particularly representative of the world, >let alone of the world in a "natural" state. Huh? You were asserting I don't know suburbian America, which is wrong. Stop moving the discussion. >I've no objection to you wanting to live in a forest. My point is that many people don't and that forests are unnatural in most places. My point is you don't need a forest for such a house. >Actually, you're just asserting that idea. You've done nothing to support it. Asserting if you want, I just had the wrong word. I'd like to continue that argument in French ;) Also I live in a very modern and well-isolated house (that's law requirement in Germany) where I don't need any AC. That's my modest contribution. I just miss some vegetables around here... >I've already asked twice for some support for the claim that such aesthetics are relevant to survival. Where? Architecture is not only aesthetics, it's efficiency too. If you don't believe energy prices will soon go high again, then don't - not my problem :)