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Perhaps you're forgetting that the police likely believed they were doing the right thing and attempting to bring a bad guy to justice. It's not a popular sent

by kareemm 12y ago

Perhaps you're forgetting that the police likely believed they were doing the right thing and attempting to bring a bad guy to justice. It's not a popular sentiment on HN, but not all police officers are part of the shoot / oppress first, ask questions later school of policing.

ekianjo 12y ago
> the police likely believed they were doing the right thing You mean, just like TSA officers who believe that X-raying everyone who boards a plane is the right thing if we want to catch these darn terrorists?
pessimizer 12y ago
>not all police officers are part of the shoot / oppress first, ask questions later school of policing. But these were. You're creating a false dichotomy between cops who violate people's rights and cops who think that they're doing the right thing.
scarecrowbob 12y ago
"It's not a popular sentiment on HN, but not all police officers are part of the shoot / oppress first, ask questions later school of policing." To be fair, even those of that school like believe "they [are] doing the right thing and attempting to bring a bad guy to justice."
deciplex 12y ago
Literally everyone believes they are doing the right thing. Everyone justifies their actions, at least to themselves.
bediger4000 12y ago
Law enforcement officers, of all people, should know and respect The Law, shouldn't they? I mean, "ignorance of the law is no excuse", and they are doing a special job which requires special knowledge, skills and care. So, I think that we can assume they knew they weren't doing "the right thing". Stingrays are pretty clearly against the spirit of American Democracy and Law Enforcement, as traditionally held. Beyond that, the ends rarely justify the means, even legally. There are supposed to be limits to how the police find stuff out. See 4th Amendment. Traditional sense of fair play, decency, etc.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > Beyond that, the ends rarely justify the means, even legally. The ends often justifies the means, even legally, its just that the cases where the proposition that the means used is justified by the ends served isn't controversial don't get any attention, in much the same way that you never see news stories of the form "Today, the following areas had no major earthquakes..."

by kareemm 12y ago

ekianjo 12y ago

> the police likely believed they were doing the right thing You mean, just like TSA officers who believe that X-raying everyone who boards a plane is the right thing if we want to catch these darn terrorists?

pessimizer 12y ago

>not all police officers are part of the shoot / oppress first, ask questions later school of policing. But these were. You're creating a false dichotomy between cops who violate people's rights and cops who think that they're doing the right thing.

scarecrowbob 12y ago

"It's not a popular sentiment on HN, but not all police officers are part of the shoot / oppress first, ask questions later school of policing." To be fair, even those of that school like believe "they [are] doing the right thing and attempting to bring a bad guy to justice."

deciplex 12y ago

Literally everyone believes they are doing the right thing. Everyone justifies their actions, at least to themselves.

bediger4000 12y ago

Law enforcement officers, of all people, should know and respect The Law, shouldn't they? I mean, "ignorance of the law is no excuse", and they are doing a special job which requires special knowledge, skills and care. So, I think that we can assume they knew they weren't doing "the right thing". Stingrays are pretty clearly against the spirit of American Democracy and Law Enforcement, as traditionally held. Beyond that, the ends rarely justify the means, even legally. There are supposed to be limits to how the police find stuff out. See 4th Amendment. Traditional sense of fair play, decency, etc.

dragonwriter 12y ago
> Beyond that, the ends rarely justify the means, even legally. The ends often justifies the means, even legally, its just that the cases where the proposition that the means used is justified by the ends served isn't controversial don't get any attention, in much the same way that you never see news stories of the form "Today, the following areas had no major earthquakes..."