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Is Objective C really that much better? If you have decent APIs/libraries, C++ would be just fine.

by TillE 12y ago

gte910h 12y ago
Objective C is head and shoulders better to program in than C++. It's still got the same C warts that C++ does in a lot of place, but it is far simpler and less leaky than C++. C++ is still faster and more cross platform, than objective-c --Have done both professionally
reubenmorais 12y ago
No, but according to Chris Lattner, Swift is.
Gracana 12y ago
As an example, OKCupid uses C++ and runs on a custom webserver. http://www.okcupid.com/about/technology http://www.okcupid.com/about/technology
- 31reasons 12y ago
  I don't understand. Why would you make everything in-house especially for site like Ok-Cupid which is not exactly used to power rocket engines.
  - logicchains 12y ago
    They did a blog post on it that I can't find right now. Essentially, they made it quite a while ago (2002? I don't recall exactly), and all other options were too slow. Their backend apparently has to do a lot of work calculating match scores when users search.
  - logicchains 12y ago
    Found a post by one of the developers describing the decision in some detail: http://www.brightjourney.com/q/okcupid-write-web-server http://www.brightjourney.com/q/okcupid-write-web-server They've also open sourced their server: https://github.com/okws/okws https://github.com/okws/okws
  - jacquesm 12y ago
    They were in much the same boat as I was back then: whatever you could install out of the box was simply too slow. Inefficiency would have caused us to die on hosting costs so we had to build our own webserver and so on. It's gotten a lot easier over the last decade and a half to build a performant website. If Ok-Cupid were started today I highly doubt they would do that the same way. But given when they did start it I figure they literally did not have a choice.
jeremyjh 12y ago
C++ can be just fine. It can also be used to write software bad enough to quit over, that dozens of people will maintain for decades. And they talk about it. I don't think Objective C has that problem.
- alttab 12y ago
  To be fair, Objective C hasn't run billion dollar companies for decades yet either (in mass).
  - jeremyjh 12y ago
    Yes, that is my point but I didn't make it very well. If Objective C were routinely subjected to these sorts of projects, I think its over-all reputation would be a lot worse.
  - threeseed 12y ago
    Objective-C up until the last couple years was powering the payments infrastructure for the Apple Online Store.
    - alttab 12y ago
      Which isn't exposing Objective-C to a wide range of engineers in the industry to the point people and relate and swap horror stories about it.
SoftwareMaven 12y ago
No, objC isn't better. While it is fine for UI stuff, I wouldn't really want I build a web app with it. What I've read of Swift is more interesting.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  Funny NeXT thought otherwise. WebObjects was a very good server platform.

Is Objective C really that much better? If you have decent APIs/libraries, C++ would be just fine.

by TillE 12y ago

Is Objective C really that much better? If you have decent APIs/libraries, C++ would be just fine.

Objective C is head and shoulders better to program in than C++. It's still got the same C warts that C++ does in a lot of place, but it is far simpler and less leaky than C++. C++ is still faster and more cross platform, than objective-c --Have done both professionally

reubenmorais 12y ago

No, but according to Chris Lattner, Swift is.

Gracana 12y ago

As an example, OKCupid uses C++ and runs on a custom webserver. http://www.okcupid.com/about/technology http://www.okcupid.com/about/technology

31reasons 12y ago
I don't understand. Why would you make everything in-house especially for site like Ok-Cupid which is not exactly used to power rocket engines.
- logicchains 12y ago
  They did a blog post on it that I can't find right now. Essentially, they made it quite a while ago (2002? I don't recall exactly), and all other options were too slow. Their backend apparently has to do a lot of work calculating match scores when users search.
- logicchains 12y ago
  Found a post by one of the developers describing the decision in some detail: http://www.brightjourney.com/q/okcupid-write-web-server http://www.brightjourney.com/q/okcupid-write-web-server They've also open sourced their server: https://github.com/okws/okws https://github.com/okws/okws
- jacquesm 12y ago
  They were in much the same boat as I was back then: whatever you could install out of the box was simply too slow. Inefficiency would have caused us to die on hosting costs so we had to build our own webserver and so on. It's gotten a lot easier over the last decade and a half to build a performant website. If Ok-Cupid were started today I highly doubt they would do that the same way. But given when they did start it I figure they literally did not have a choice.

jeremyjh 12y ago

C++ can be just fine. It can also be used to write software bad enough to quit over, that dozens of people will maintain for decades. And they talk about it. I don't think Objective C has that problem.

alttab 12y ago
To be fair, Objective C hasn't run billion dollar companies for decades yet either (in mass).
- jeremyjh 12y ago
  Yes, that is my point but I didn't make it very well. If Objective C were routinely subjected to these sorts of projects, I think its over-all reputation would be a lot worse.
- threeseed 12y ago
  Objective-C up until the last couple years was powering the payments infrastructure for the Apple Online Store.
  - alttab 12y ago
    Which isn't exposing Objective-C to a wide range of engineers in the industry to the point people and relate and swap horror stories about it.

SoftwareMaven 12y ago

No, objC isn't better. While it is fine for UI stuff, I wouldn't really want I build a web app with it. What I've read of Swift is more interesting.

pjmlp 12y ago
Funny NeXT thought otherwise. WebObjects was a very good server platform.