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Again, with DRM in music, are you making a distinction between streaming music, and owning music? Because I don't care if my Spotify or Rdio stream is encrypted

by atonse 12y ago

Again, with DRM in music, are you making a distinction between streaming music, and owning music? Because I don't care if my Spotify or Rdio stream is encrypted. It has no effect on the user experience whatsoever. (In that sense, Netflix is closer to Spotify or Pandora than to iTunes Movies). But I absolutely care of the music that I own is encrypted.

AnthonyMouse 12y ago
There are multiple distinct issues here: A) The first order effects of streaming DRM (i.e. can't watch on device without DRM); B) The second order effects of streaming DRM (i.e. device without DRM is unavailable in the market because majority of would-be users demand availability of streaming video); C) Will the studios distribute content without DRM. What you're saying is that A) doesn't matter. What I'm saying is that B) really does matter quite a lot, and in a way that has nothing to do with downloading vs. streaming. The ironic thing is that Hollywood is shooting itself in the foot. You want to commoditize your complements.[1] DRM is doing the complete opposite and creating a huge barrier to entry in the markets complementary to streaming video. Look at the book publishers and Amazon -- is that really the position Hollywood wants to be in when negotiating with Apple or Google? Hollywood benefits from more competition in the systems market. Dropping a boat anchor in the form of the inability to display their content on any small timer who tries to compete with one of their powerful third party distributors is masochism. Which is why C) isn't half as implausible as some people seem to think. [1] http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html
__david__ 12y ago
Really? I care how Spotify is encrypted. I can't get a 3rd-party player to play Spotify over the cell network with ads, just like the desktop client does. If I use their player I get an inferior Pandora-style radio. Similarly, even with paid streams I'm stuck with their client, like it or not. Conversely, I know of old school internet radio stations (shoutcast/icecast style) that charge for high bandwidth streams. I can play those streams on any player I want, over any network I want. No-DRM is better in all cases.

by atonse 12y ago

AnthonyMouse 12y ago

There are multiple distinct issues here: A) The first order effects of streaming DRM (i.e. can't watch on device without DRM); B) The second order effects of streaming DRM (i.e. device without DRM is unavailable in the market because majority of would-be users demand availability of streaming video); C) Will the studios distribute content without DRM. What you're saying is that A) doesn't matter. What I'm saying is that B) really does matter quite a lot, and in a way that has nothing to do with downloading vs. streaming. The ironic thing is that Hollywood is shooting itself in the foot. You want to commoditize your complements.[1] DRM is doing the complete opposite and creating a huge barrier to entry in the markets complementary to streaming video. Look at the book publishers and Amazon -- is that really the position Hollywood wants to be in when negotiating with Apple or Google? Hollywood benefits from more competition in the systems market. Dropping a boat anchor in the form of the inability to display their content on any small timer who tries to compete with one of their powerful third party distributors is masochism. Which is why C) isn't half as implausible as some people seem to think. [1] http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html

__david__ 12y ago

Really? I care how Spotify is encrypted. I can't get a 3rd-party player to play Spotify over the cell network with ads, just like the desktop client does. If I use their player I get an inferior Pandora-style radio. Similarly, even with paid streams I'm stuck with their client, like it or not. Conversely, I know of old school internet radio stations (shoutcast/icecast style) that charge for high bandwidth streams. I can play those streams on any player I want, over any network I want. No-DRM is better in all cases.