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Out of respect for Mr Shulgin I don't want to stray too far from his work towards a disturbing subject matter. In order to make my point about legalization I

by h1karu 12y ago

Out of respect for Mr Shulgin I don't want to stray too far from his work towards a disturbing subject matter. In order to make my point about legalization I had to make it known that such dark areas of inquery exist, but that doesn't mean I want to expose people to such information who have not self-selected to learn more. It's not my area of expertise anyways. I'll link you to a Time magazine article in which the author has begun to stick his toe in the water but you'll have to guide your own research from there: http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/23/the-legacy-of-the-cias-secret-lsd-experiments-on-america/ http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/23/the-legacy-of-the-cias...

Nanzikambe 12y ago
I highly doubt the events in the article you linked are news to swombat, or any one else for that matter. The use of hallucinogens or drugs on the unsuspecting, like the military trials linked above, are well documented, but have little to do with the specific substance and more to do with the absence of morality of those involved. That is a political problem, not a pharmacological one. Were I an unwitting participant in such an experiment, I would much rather be given LSD than some toxic chemical or biological weapon. That too has been done, do you realise? In certain parts of South America, a chemical derived from Datura is regularly used to zombify people, when they come to their senses 48 hours later, they've a hole in their memories and no possessions left. Again, nefarious people will always find a way to use the tools nature gave us for nefarious purposes. Anyways I highly disagree with your assertion that discussing any of this, to any level of depth, would be considered disrespectful in any way by or to Shulgin. A man who dedicated his entire life to the exploration of pharmacology in all forms, such discussion is precisely the sort of thing I believe he aimed to encourage.

by h1karu 12y ago

Nanzikambe 12y ago

I highly doubt the events in the article you linked are news to swombat, or any one else for that matter. The use of hallucinogens or drugs on the unsuspecting, like the military trials linked above, are well documented, but have little to do with the specific substance and more to do with the absence of morality of those involved. That is a political problem, not a pharmacological one. Were I an unwitting participant in such an experiment, I would much rather be given LSD than some toxic chemical or biological weapon. That too has been done, do you realise? In certain parts of South America, a chemical derived from Datura is regularly used to zombify people, when they come to their senses 48 hours later, they've a hole in their memories and no possessions left. Again, nefarious people will always find a way to use the tools nature gave us for nefarious purposes. Anyways I highly disagree with your assertion that discussing any of this, to any level of depth, would be considered disrespectful in any way by or to Shulgin. A man who dedicated his entire life to the exploration of pharmacology in all forms, such discussion is precisely the sort of thing I believe he aimed to encourage.