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> obviously these arrangements will affect your salary I don't really find this obvious or self-evident. One of my very biggest complaints about the economic c

> obviously these arrangements will affect your salary I don't really find this obvious or self-evident. One of my very biggest complaints about the economic climate today is that all of the productivity gains go to the owners, and very little to workers. If I as a worker am producing more, it follows that I should be working less, or paid more (which amounts to the same thing.) to do otherwise eliminates jobs that would otherwise need to be done, and takes advantage of workers.

nawitus 12y ago
If the market works, then the worker should get gains too. However, these examples were of reducing total hours worked and presumably also reducing total productivity to some degree.
runeks 12y ago
> One of my very biggest complaints about the economic climate today is that all of the productivity gains go to the owners, and very little to workers. The solution to this is to become an owner. Now, creating and operating a company is probably harder than working for it, for it it weren't, why wouldn't people just become owners if it pays better?
hueving 12y ago
>gains go to the owners, and very little to workers. If there is such an obvious imbalance, why doesn't everyone just quit and start their own company?
- esrauch 12y ago
  Because of the obvious barriers to entry to reach a point where you are exploiting workers? Or because some people probably would prefer not to exploit others for profit? Your point would make some sense if all owners of companies bootstrapped them from startups, when in reality they were likely just someone who was otherwise wealthy and became owners once it was already a successful company when the original owners already cashed out (or passed on, depending on the age of the company).
- zo1 12y ago
  Because it's easier to blame others than blame oneself. They'd rather coast through life constantly blaming their woes on others' successes (whether just, stolen, or inherited). I take it as an opportunity to motivate myself. Nothing wrong with jealousy, as long as you use it as a motivator instead of a mental air-bag.
zo1 12y ago
"One of my very biggest complaints about the economic climate today is that all of the productivity gains go to the owners, and very little to workers." You are an owner, of yourself and the mental/physical capital that that encompasses. If you feel the way you do, then you're obviously not happy with the way you're selling yourself and your knowledge.

nawitus 12y ago

If the market works, then the worker should get gains too. However, these examples were of reducing total hours worked and presumably also reducing total productivity to some degree.

runeks 12y ago

> One of my very biggest complaints about the economic climate today is that all of the productivity gains go to the owners, and very little to workers. The solution to this is to become an owner. Now, creating and operating a company is probably harder than working for it, for it it weren't, why wouldn't people just become owners if it pays better?

hueving 12y ago

>gains go to the owners, and very little to workers. If there is such an obvious imbalance, why doesn't everyone just quit and start their own company?

esrauch 12y ago
Because of the obvious barriers to entry to reach a point where you are exploiting workers? Or because some people probably would prefer not to exploit others for profit? Your point would make some sense if all owners of companies bootstrapped them from startups, when in reality they were likely just someone who was otherwise wealthy and became owners once it was already a successful company when the original owners already cashed out (or passed on, depending on the age of the company).
zo1 12y ago
Because it's easier to blame others than blame oneself. They'd rather coast through life constantly blaming their woes on others' successes (whether just, stolen, or inherited). I take it as an opportunity to motivate myself. Nothing wrong with jealousy, as long as you use it as a motivator instead of a mental air-bag.

zo1 12y ago

"One of my very biggest complaints about the economic climate today is that all of the productivity gains go to the owners, and very little to workers." You are an owner, of yourself and the mental/physical capital that that encompasses. If you feel the way you do, then you're obviously not happy with the way you're selling yourself and your knowledge.