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I am not saying connection does not exist (it certainly does), but I am saying connection is oversold. They support each other, but they don't support each othe

by sanxiyn 12y ago

I am not saying connection does not exist (it certainly does), but I am saying connection is oversold. They support each other, but they don't support each other that much. While I don't have PhD in math, I did learn calculus and probability. I am still not convinced that they should come before logic.

ColinWright 12y ago
See, that's the thing. People who don't have all the tools to hand think that the connections are over-rated. People who do have more of the tools to hand think that it's much more important than is realized by people who don't have all the tools to hand. It's the blub[0] paradox all over again. I would suggest that you haven't (yet) learned enough to realize that the connections are much deeper, stronger, and important than you realize. It may well be that you don't need to know that the derivative of 3x^2 is 6x, but the influence on working with discrete math of a deeper understanding of continuous math is real, but subtle and hard to explain. Like Spock said when McCoy asked what it was like to be dead: McCoy: Come on Spock this is me, McCoy!! You really have been where no one has been before, can't you tell me what it felt like? Spock: It would be impossible to discuss the subject without a common frame of reference. McCoy: You're joking - you mean I have to die before we can discuss your insight on death? We can't all learn everything. I'm not advocating that everyone should get a PhD in cross-disciplinary math subjects, just as I'm not advocating that everyone should become fluent in Japanese, Russian, and Finnish, or that everyone should become fluent in Scheme, Haskell, and Erlang. What I am saying is that I, who do have a PhD in math, believe that the connections are more extensive and useful than you realize. [0] http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html
- ejk314 12y ago
  The connections may be more extensive than the average software developer will ever see. But does that make them useful? How can unrecognized connections be useful? And if those connections are not useful without the higher education he/she will not receive, then what was the point in learning them?
  - ColinWright 12y ago
    If you'll never program in Lisp or Haskell, is there any value in learning them? Those who do learn them say yes, that doing so has changed for the better the way they think. Similarly other subjects in math that do not, on the surface, seem to be relevant.

by sanxiyn 12y ago

ColinWright 12y ago

See, that's the thing. People who don't have all the tools to hand think that the connections are over-rated. People who do have more of the tools to hand think that it's much more important than is realized by people who don't have all the tools to hand. It's the blub[0] paradox all over again. I would suggest that you haven't (yet) learned enough to realize that the connections are much deeper, stronger, and important than you realize. It may well be that you don't need to know that the derivative of 3x^2 is 6x, but the influence on working with discrete math of a deeper understanding of continuous math is real, but subtle and hard to explain. Like Spock said when McCoy asked what it was like to be dead: McCoy: Come on Spock this is me, McCoy!! You really have been where no one has been before, can't you tell me what it felt like? Spock: It would be impossible to discuss the subject without a common frame of reference. McCoy: You're joking - you mean I have to die before we can discuss your insight on death? We can't all learn everything. I'm not advocating that everyone should get a PhD in cross-disciplinary math subjects, just as I'm not advocating that everyone should become fluent in Japanese, Russian, and Finnish, or that everyone should become fluent in Scheme, Haskell, and Erlang. What I am saying is that I, who do have a PhD in math, believe that the connections are more extensive and useful than you realize. [0] http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html

ejk314 12y ago
The connections may be more extensive than the average software developer will ever see. But does that make them useful? How can unrecognized connections be useful? And if those connections are not useful without the higher education he/she will not receive, then what was the point in learning them?
- ColinWright 12y ago
  If you'll never program in Lisp or Haskell, is there any value in learning them? Those who do learn them say yes, that doing so has changed for the better the way they think. Similarly other subjects in math that do not, on the surface, seem to be relevant.