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Which parts of the front window in this screenshot[0] are draggable? Maybe this is just me, but I don't like how the titlebar and window contents are visually m

by eurleif 12y ago

Which parts of the front window in this screenshot[0] are draggable? Maybe this is just me, but I don't like how the titlebar and window contents are visually merged. [0] https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_hero.jpg https://www.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_her...

sdfjkl 12y ago
That bothers me a bit too. Maybe because I still can't tell what bit of an IOS7 app is button and what isn't (even with the "accessibility" fix they're not all shown properly).
hrktb 12y ago
Agreed. It seems to miss a step, some additional stuff that they couldn't include now but would have made the design complete. For instance it would work if one could drag any area of a window that doesn't react to a click (like the white space between the bubbles in the chat window). Or additional gestures to easily rearrange/move the windows, something like three finger scroll make the window follow the fingers instead of back/forward.
- mh- 12y ago
  you mean like "Three finger drag" in the first tab of the Trackpad preferences? :)
  - hrktb 12y ago
    Yes, exactly, but working on anything on the window, on not just the title/status bar.
aroman 12y ago
All of them — everywhere that isn't another control. Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK[1], but I think it's a superior paradigm anyway, so I don't really mind. [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html
- eurleif 12y ago
  >everywhere that isn't another control Is the list of messages on the left another control? It's clickable, but the whole thing is visually merged with the titlebar.
- cobalt 12y ago
  Well, windows vista had this with Aero
- 3rd3 12y ago
  Being able to move a window wherever you click is actually pretty old (the oldest example I know of is the Aqua brushed metal type of windows in OSX 10.3 Panther, I believe). Compact window headers don’t seem new either. For example iTunes has this since 2010 (version 10). [1] https://i.imgur.com/pCv8lV4.png https://i.imgur.com/pCv8lV4.png
- eyko 12y ago
  It's one of the design decisions in Gnome 3 that I don't dislike. Happy to see Apple adopt it. I always thought the combination of the Menu bar in OSX (top of screen) with GtkHeaderBar would save a lot of screen real estate... and seeing it in action is nice :)
- iSnow 12y ago
  I think this is just reverting back to the way it was in MacOS 8 where a window could be dragged by the frame or the header bar - the only places where the chrome was exposed.
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- tvon 12y ago
  > Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK This has been part of Finder and iTunes since at least 2006, at a point when it wasn't the norm for anything in GNOME2 that I can recall.
bluthru 12y ago
Personally, I love that the title bar is gone for a slimmer profile. OS X is already displaying the title in the menubar, and I've always found that top area to be dead space. This should be especially useful for Macbook Air users.
- spupy 12y ago
  I've never used OS X, but isn't it confusing for the windows to not have titles? To find the window you need, don't you need to look at it's contents - something that sounds clunky to me? It's one of the things I hate most about the file manager in Windows 7.
  - bluthru 12y ago
    You can alt-tab through windows: http://www.mactip.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/macosx_cmd_tabbing.jpg http://www.mactip.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/macosx_cmd_... Or activate mission control: http://www.iphones-apps.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-Shot-2013-12-03-at-0.03.05.png http://www.iphones-apps.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen... Mission Control overlays the icon and title. In general the apps seem to be visually distinct and people aren't identifying them by titles anyway: http://images.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_hero.jpg http://images.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_h... Let me know if I misread your question.
mzs 12y ago
Yikes, I've always appreciated how I can drag the little document icon where ever I like (like a terminal.app window) to do something else to the file. Also the click and hold key to see the folder hierarchy or open the folder even in the Finder. Those features are positively ancient, they also added the little drop down arrow to the right recently. I hope windows in programs like Preview.app behave at least like how Quicktime Player.app windows behave today, where the title bar with the document icon appear upon the mouse entering the window.
- systoll 12y ago
  Document based apps have all kept the title and document icon. With the half-exception of Safari [which had the 'fold heirarchy'], the apps that have lost the standard title bar never had these features, and what has been removed is simply the restating things visible in the menu-bar and source list.

by eurleif 12y ago

sdfjkl 12y ago

That bothers me a bit too. Maybe because I still can't tell what bit of an IOS7 app is button and what isn't (even with the "accessibility" fix they're not all shown properly).

hrktb 12y ago

Agreed. It seems to miss a step, some additional stuff that they couldn't include now but would have made the design complete. For instance it would work if one could drag any area of a window that doesn't react to a click (like the white space between the bubbles in the chat window). Or additional gestures to easily rearrange/move the windows, something like three finger scroll make the window follow the fingers instead of back/forward.

mh- 12y ago
you mean like "Three finger drag" in the first tab of the Trackpad preferences? :)
- hrktb 12y ago
  Yes, exactly, but working on anything on the window, on not just the title/status bar.

aroman 12y ago

All of them — everywhere that isn't another control. Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK[1], but I think it's a superior paradigm anyway, so I don't really mind. [1] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.10/GtkHeaderBar.html

eurleif 12y ago
>everywhere that isn't another control Is the list of messages on the left another control? It's clickable, but the whole thing is visually merged with the titlebar.
cobalt 12y ago
Well, windows vista had this with Aero
3rd3 12y ago
Being able to move a window wherever you click is actually pretty old (the oldest example I know of is the Aqua brushed metal type of windows in OSX 10.3 Panther, I believe). Compact window headers don’t seem new either. For example iTunes has this since 2010 (version 10). [1] https://i.imgur.com/pCv8lV4.png https://i.imgur.com/pCv8lV4.png
eyko 12y ago
It's one of the design decisions in Gnome 3 that I don't dislike. Happy to see Apple adopt it. I always thought the combination of the Menu bar in OSX (top of screen) with GtkHeaderBar would save a lot of screen real estate... and seeing it in action is nice :)
iSnow 12y ago
I think this is just reverting back to the way it was in MacOS 8 where a window could be dragged by the frame or the header bar - the only places where the chrome was exposed.
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tvon 12y ago
> Apple stole this design wholesale from GTK This has been part of Finder and iTunes since at least 2006, at a point when it wasn't the norm for anything in GNOME2 that I can recall.

bluthru 12y ago

Personally, I love that the title bar is gone for a slimmer profile. OS X is already displaying the title in the menubar, and I've always found that top area to be dead space. This should be especially useful for Macbook Air users.

spupy 12y ago
I've never used OS X, but isn't it confusing for the windows to not have titles? To find the window you need, don't you need to look at it's contents - something that sounds clunky to me? It's one of the things I hate most about the file manager in Windows 7.
- bluthru 12y ago
  You can alt-tab through windows: http://www.mactip.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/macosx_cmd_tabbing.jpg http://www.mactip.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/macosx_cmd_... Or activate mission control: http://www.iphones-apps.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-Shot-2013-12-03-at-0.03.05.png http://www.iphones-apps.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen... Mission Control overlays the icon and title. In general the apps seem to be visually distinct and people aren't identifying them by titles anyway: http://images.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_hero.jpg http://images.apple.com/osx/preview/images/overview_design_h... Let me know if I misread your question.

mzs 12y ago

Yikes, I've always appreciated how I can drag the little document icon where ever I like (like a terminal.app window) to do something else to the file. Also the click and hold key to see the folder hierarchy or open the folder even in the Finder. Those features are positively ancient, they also added the little drop down arrow to the right recently. I hope windows in programs like Preview.app behave at least like how Quicktime Player.app windows behave today, where the title bar with the document icon appear upon the mouse entering the window.

systoll 12y ago
Document based apps have all kept the title and document icon. With the half-exception of Safari [which had the 'fold heirarchy'], the apps that have lost the standard title bar never had these features, and what has been removed is simply the restating things visible in the menu-bar and source list.